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  •  "MAN….IT DOESN”T GET BETTER THAN THIS!" (3+ / 0-)
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    If man doesn't get any better than this - Where do I go to resign and turn in my "human ID" card?

    I wouldn't piss on a "trophy-hunter" if he was on fire.

    The dire straits facing America are not due poor people having too much money

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 12:46:16 PM PST

    •  A trip to the sea can cure aspiring apex predators (2+ / 0-)

      Killer whales have a lot to teach.

    •  "Trophy Hunters" Are the Only Thing Keeping (0+ / 0-)

      Many species on the boards, but you may be excused for not realizing it.

      In many African countries the overwhelming majority of the limited funds for management and anti-poaching efforts comes directly and solely from the fees those evil "trophy hunters" pay. In a country like Zambia, which has one of (if not THE) best systems in place, large hunting concessions surround most National Parks. Whereas maybe ten species are actively hunted on those concessions (none of which are Endangered or Threatened, by the way), hundreds of species enjoy protection from poaching and the bushmeat trade, while the anti-poaching efforts expended by the various concession operators, out of economic necessity, provide a very strong barrier many miles wide that protects the National Parks. I can assure you no poacher enjoys free passage across a concession in Zambia.

      Furthermore, consider "trophy hunting" in a bit more depth for a moment, specifically what animals are targeted by "Trophy Hunters". Almost invariably, these are past-prime males which have already made their contribution to the gene pool. Females don't carry the horns/antlers/manes/tusks that trophy hunters seek, nor do merely mature, breeding males. It's only the cape buffalo or elephant or moose that's past his prime, and frequently, among herd animals, outcast from the herd and no longer reproductively relevant, that carries the "trophy-grade" horns/antlers/tusks. Even those who are still with a herd have enjoyed several breeding seasons before they reach trophy dimensions, and their removal merely opens an opportunity for the next dominant male to step up.

      In the special case of lions the dynamics of a pride are considered by all responsible concession operators, who will not allow the taking of a male holding a pride, because of the way lions work. When a pride loses the dominant male the replacement immediately and invariable kills all sub-adult lions in the pride, thereby bringing the females into "heat" so he has breeding opportunities without th wait. Responsible hunting operations target only males who no longer hold a pride, and thus are no longer contributing to the gene pool.

      Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

      by The Baculum King on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 06:07:08 PM PST

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      •  Emphasis on the qualifier 'responsible' (1+ / 0-)

        So be it. We'll pimp out a few individuals of an endangered species so the trophy hunter johns can pay for snuff thrills.

        I point out in the diary it worked with European Bison for five centuries, so we're good.

        •  You Got an Alternate Source of Funds Available? (0+ / 0-)

          Not to mention the jobs created by the hunting industry in several countries where jobs are scarce, and the primary alternate employment for those skilled in tracking is either the bushmeat or ivory trades.

          Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

          by The Baculum King on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 06:33:11 PM PST

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          •  Stop. Where. You. Are. (0+ / 0-)

            I just said at length in the diary that hunting preserves work.

            We have zero argument on this.

            Our dispute is the very idea that hunters are to be glorified in any way whatsoever for fetish kills.

            •  Those Addax Aren't "Hunted" (0+ / 0-)

              And they aren't wild animals, they're livestock. There are quite a few "high-fence" hunting operations in South Africa that are similar, only usually larger, but again that's shooting, not hunting.

              Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

              by The Baculum King on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 07:06:29 PM PST

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              •  Indpendent of ranching (0+ / 0-)

                Public and private incentives to capture or kill last relics of fading species (you brought up rhinos earlier, I mentioned Great Auk eggs in the diary) have a long history of happening.

                I once did a cartoon. The punch line was "Short Endangered Species and Make a Killing."

                Worship of scarcity is as much a killer as lust for carnage, profit and simple reaction to the presence of a peer competitor at/near the top of the food chain.

        •  And Incidentally (0+ / 0-)

          No "Trophy Hunter Johns" are taking endangered species, almost no Country allows the hunting of such species and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service certainly doesn't allow the importation of such trophies. In fact, they tend to go overboard the other way, disallowing the importation of legally taken non-endangered trophies on a regular basis.

          Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

          by The Baculum King on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 06:36:59 PM PST

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      •  No (0+ / 0-)

        Monkey kill for fun bad monkey. Death-monkey. Evil monkey in cartoon closet.

        Shitty karma dead-end primate looking for a species-ending disease due to evolutionary assholishness.

        Shoot this. There's no fucking excuse.

        The dire straits facing America are not due poor people having too much money

        by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 10:07:18 PM PST

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