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  •  How do you feel about existing gun laws? (1+ / 0-)
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    How do you feel about past gun laws, such as the AWB? You mention that our gun laws are often reactive. You say that they probably won't keep (the next massacre) from happening again. What would keep it from happening again?

    If you want to put up or shut up then how about some suggestions for prudent gun laws? The status quo isn't working for me. Is it working for you?

    •  My first suggestion (4+ / 0-)

      (again, I am so sorry I wasn't home when this diary dropped!)

      Get a director of ATF confirmed and fund our existing laws. We need ID checks and enforcement money. I hate unfunded mandates because they become paper tigers.

      We have the technology to do instant checks, it's insane to pretend we can't do this.

      I have been told by friends as well as my RKBA peeps that the AWB wasn't an effective law and so it needs to be rewritten with input from people who know and use guns. Good laws are followed for the most part, I believe.

      Limit magazines. As I've said before mr.u goes target shooting with friends they have a 10 shot magazine, they don't care to have a bigger one. Let's come to an agreement and pass a limit. Don't write a weasel law that can be got around.

      That's my start.

      "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

      by high uintas on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 07:15:17 PM PST

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      •  Sounds like a good start (2+ / 0-)
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        It sounds like the AWB was not well-liked on all sides.

        •  It did nothing. (4+ / 0-)

          The only people who liked it were those who stocked up on ugly guns and banned magazines before the ban, and made a bunch of money selling them after the price went up.

          "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

          by happy camper on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:50:21 AM PST

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        •  Insisting on closing "the gunshow loophole" (1+ / 0-)
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          while doing nothing about providing mental health care, and improving the system for classification and reporting to the national database of those under treatment with a diagnosis which may enable suicidal or homicidal impulses?

          Will do nothing to prevent another psychotic from legally purchasing a firearm.  Another Cho, another Loughner, another Aurora shooter is guaranteed to "slip through the cracks" if this IS NOT ADDRESSED in this pending legislation.

          The heavy lifting isn't this size magazine or that size magazine, it's dealing with the cost and provision of mental health care, and the cost and provision for accurate record keeping.

          I'm not in-favor of the DoD labeling PTSD veterans as gun-disqualified forever.  That's the equivalence of a Dishonorable Discharge, applied to persons who were often heroic when called-upon.

          I'm also in-favor of the above discussion on removing the disqualification of non-violent Felons , while adding the disqualification of persons convicted of a violent crime - regardless of penalty.
          Misdemeanor Assault, Menacing, Sexual Battery, or Spousal Abuse, SHOULD mean NO GUN access.

          Those persons have issues of inappropriate behaviour with physical contact, and the word NO doesn't seem to sink-in.

          We'll hear how difficult it is to remove disabilities as often cops suspect you for this, and convict you for that.

          I've heard this with my own ears:

          We can't make a case putting him at that shooting, but we can "flake" him with 2 zs of Cocaine... and send him up long-time.  We know he's a banger, and guilty of something sooner or later.
          Is that any way to run a "Justice" system?

          In my opinion, no... and it's a poor excuse for a life-sentence continued outside of prison.

          •  Getting off the "no-fly" list when (0+ / 0-)

            inappropriately placed on it by the "dys"functioning bureaucracy is a perfect real-world example of your point.

            I call the "gun-show" loophole, what is actually is -- a private sale exemption (I believe JesseCW also emphasizes this point).  I suspect there are several reasonable approaches to provide better monitoring of all firearm sales and these merit  evaluation: for example, mandatory standardized private Bill of Sale with file retention or even quarterly governmental filing, expansion of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to include private sales, etc.

            Most importantly, we must end the "starve the government" right wing policies that have created a huge underclass of "disadvantaged" who have have the greatest propensity to gun violence -- joblessness, no-living wage, limited employment and unaffordable educational opportunities, affordable and universally available health care and especially early identification and treatment of mental health needs.

            Thanks for adding to the sensible dialogue.

            The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety. H.L. Mencken

            by ancblu on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 12:23:46 PM PST

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