Skip to main content

View Diary: Maneuvering in the middle on fiscal cliff is still veering too far right (189 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  I do not share the confidence you have in Ezra. (4+ / 0-)

    His career would not end if he were wrong.  Hell, he hawked the invasion of Iraq and it paid off for him in a big way.  The plain truth is we don't know.

    In addition, whether this is "on the table or not," there should be loud opposition to it.   Slinkerwink had a good diary yesterday exhorting people to do just that.  

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 07:56:23 AM PST

    [ Parent ]

    •  Which I have been doing too (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      slinkerwink

      I got into a bunch of contentious discussions here the other day about this leaked deal, which I said was stupid, unnecessary and self-defeating.

      But I simply don't believe that Ezra is making this up. They may be using him, and he may know this and be letting himself be used, but that he got this from credible sources who were instructed to do this from the very top I have zero doubt on. Obama's running a much tighter ship now and it makes no sense that someone like Ezra would be making this up, or that some unauthorized person was using him to push their unauthorized agenda. He's not stupid and surely verified this before going public with it.

      There's something going on here. What it is ain't exactly clear.

      As for Iraq, it didn't require one to lie to support it at the time, merely to claim that one believed in lies that millions of people believed in at the time. This may have made him foolish, or, if he knew these to be lies at the time, craven, but it's not the same as pretending to have heard something from a trusted WH source. Even the most dishonest beltway hack would have their career ruined if they lied that egregiously because even the most craven politicians could no longer trust them to lie for them when they needed them to.

      Nearly everyone lies in politics, but very few can afford to do it on their own.

      Oh, and btw, if this was a trial balloon/head fake by Obama, for it to work, we have to play our "bad cop" part, whether we believe it to be a sincere offer or a negotiating ruse. Didn't you know that that's how 11D chess works?

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 08:11:04 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Upping the age of medicare (0+ / 0-)

        does not really save that much money and it likely would shift costs to Obamacare for some.  I do not see the logic in doing that, even as part of a deal.  We'll see.  I will be surprised if it is in any deal, but I've been surprised before.  

        I think there will be no deal.  But as I said, I've been surprised before.  

        Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

        by TomP on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 08:16:46 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I didn't say that Obama WILL do this (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          TomP, slinkerwink

          As it would be profoundly stupid on both a policy and politics level. I didn't even say that Obama has SAID that he'll do this, which he has not AFAIK. All we have now is a single leak to a single reporter (even Chait hasn't reported so much as weighed in on it). Which is what makes me suspect it's a ruse.

          I hope Repubs don't read this blog!

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 08:19:51 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  On some of this, you just never know what (0+ / 0-)

            is really going on.  Ezra could have gotten a WH leak, but people leak for many reasons.  One reason could be to create the very uproar of opposition so as to say, I can't put that in any deal.  Another could be to soften people for it.  We just don't know.   But it does not hurt to raise hell and oppose.  :-)

            Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

            by TomP on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 08:22:13 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Or, to guage response to it (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              TomP

              to help decide whether to do it or not. Or all of the above. But it's hard for me to believe that someone like Ezra could report such a huge thing if he wasn't sure it was coming from credible sources and not some rogue on their way out the door. He almost seemed to be struggling to contain an "I know something you don't but can't tell you what it is" smile when he reported this, like it wasn't to be taken at face value by those who know how leaks work.

              But whether this was 11DC or yet more stupid politics, our response has to be the same, of course: No freaking way!

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 08:26:29 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site