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  •  Speaking pragmatically, is there a chance for (6+ / 0-)

    this to be killed, legislatively?  Has the House already voted on this?  Is there a chance for repeal by initiative?

    Very painful to watch; I do not feel all that great about the future of organized labor in the US.  Very frustrating issues and I have not really heard a good way that we can reach out to people who are not in unionized workforces and convince them to support organized labor - a certain race-to-the-bottom has set in and I don't quite see a good way forward when it comes to convincing people who are making $8/hr that other people should be entitled to the good pay and benefits of a union job.  Of late it has proven very difficult to convince those $8/hr people that perhaps the answer is for them to organize instead.

    Yeah.  Not very optimistic.

    "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

    by auron renouille on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 10:08:11 PM PST

    •  AFAIK, both houses in MI created their own bills. (6+ / 0-)

      Both houses of the legislature will be shoring up their final drafts that they want to send along to Snyder to be signed into law.  It doesn't sound like there is any tactic or parliamentary procedure that can be done to stop these from being passed at this point...and it sure as hell doesn't sound like Snyder can be persuaded not to sign this shit into law, either.

      As this diary from a few days ago points out:

      [B]y late Thursday, the House had passed one of the three bills in a 58-52 vote and the Senate had passed two others—one for private-sector workers and one for public-sector workers—by votes of 22-16 and 22-4, respectively. [...]
      The bill that passed the House includes a $1-million appropriation. By making it an appropriations bill, the Republicans made it ineligible for repeal through a ballot initiative.
      So to answer your question, at a minimum, the House bill cannot be put up for ballot initiative by the citizens of Michigan.  The Repugs had this shit figured out well in advance before they brought it to the floor out of the blue, that's for sure.
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        I was just introduced to this issue tonight, it seems to have crept up on me, but I've had an extremely busy week or so, I'm behind on the news.  Had not realized that this had cleared both houses in some form.

        You seem tuned into Michigan - why did the collective bargaining initiative fail so badly?  If it was going to fail badly, has there been any discussion of why it was put up at all?  Michigan has such a large Union share, I'm very surprised that this is happening there...

        Lot of strange forces at work here.

        "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

        by auron renouille on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 10:40:57 PM PST

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    •  I dunno know. Maybe we have to hit complete and (4+ / 0-)

      total bottom. Walmart pays 8 bucks an hr AND the Medicare/ FoodStamp safety net is eliminated. After all, that is what the Red States say they want. Of course, after tonight - I have reached a new low of appreciation of Republican thought. Have a couple from MO staying in the park. With a 15mo old kid. Already went through the whaddya mean you don't have insurance on your RV thing. I guess in MO if you own something  outright - you do NOT have to insure it. Ok. Fine. So tonight, the 15mo old, takes a header off the steps. Face first. The neighbor manages to grab him by the ankles before he REALLY face plants into the ground. The kid is bleeding and his face is swelling up. Mom goes - he's ok. Neighbor is like  he's just a baby and needs to be checked out. You can't tell if he has a concussion. Mom is like - we don't have insurance! Neighbor is like - WHAT?! They make GOOD $. No reason at all to not have health insurance. I guess at this point, good Republicans - will take the kid to Emergency and stick the rest of the CA population with the bill while decrying  - socialism! GRRRR I will be following up.

      if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

      by mrsgoo on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 10:32:37 PM PST

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      •  That sounds like a terrible situation to witness. (2+ / 0-)
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        Hopefully everything ends up working out well for the toddler.  Sticking the state of CA with the bill b/c of their refusal to protect their family, while decrying socialism...hmm, almost sounds Ayn Randian!

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