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  •  I agree that it was a bad poll... (2+ / 0-)
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    nirbama, Dogs are fuzzy

    Not quite a push poll, but the mention of Acorn is pretty bad...

    Point remains that 49% thought the win was no legitimate, and some number more weren't sure.  This despite the fact that Republicans control the voting machinery in a majority of the swingiest states.

    •  NO, 49% did not think anything - the number... (3+ / 0-)

      ...doesn't MEAN ANYTHING because of the skew of the question! By framing it as a choice of 100% legitimate vs. ACORN, it pushed people into an answer, and probably all they heard was "OBAMA" and "ACORN". Polls should elucidate clear responses from the participants.

      The only way you're going to test that 49% number is by reconducting a poll with much better questions, responses, and crosstabs.

      Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

      by TheCrank on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 04:42:56 PM PST

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      •  There was a "not sure" answer... (2+ / 0-)
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        Wee Mama, Wreck Smurfy

        If there wasn't, I'd agree with you.

        •  Though it certainly would have been a better (1+ / 0-)
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          radical simplicity

          poll if it has been something like:

          * Completely legitimate Obama victory.
          * Minor irregularities that favored neither candidate, but Obama still would have won.
          * Minor irregularities that favored Obama, but Obama still would have won.
          * Minor irregularities that favored Romney, but Obama still would have won.
          * Romney would have narrowly won if not for irregularities.
          * Romney would have won by a large margin if not for irregularities.

          Or replace "irregularities" with fraud.

        •  But people don't hear "not sure" - (3+ / 0-)
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          Flying Goat, nirbama, Onomastic

          I'll give you an example. I have a cousin who was a big Romneyite. She was posting on Facebook that the election wasn't "legitimate", and the reason she gave wasn't ACORN or poll fraud, it was that in her opinion the Obama campaign had told untruths in one of its commercials. (Yes, seriously, this seems to be a common belief.)

          So if she took this poll, would she answer "not sure"? Was she "not sure" Obama won legitimately? Nope! She was SURE he hadn't won "legitimately". (Let's not parse the actual meaning of the word here; it's the perceived meaning that counts in a poll.) Which would leave herewith only one choice, "the election was stolen" and if she wasn't sure about the ACORN half, it wouldn't change her response to the overall gist of the question. She may not believe it was "stolen" or that ACORN had anything to do with it but there's her response.

          You just can't draw conclusions from bad polling. We are as guilty of truthiness as the GOP if we start citing dreck like this.

          Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

          by TheCrank on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 04:50:22 PM PST

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