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  •  Thus my strong concern about Crist (5+ / 0-)

    and I've made a healthy statement somewhere about that when everyone was clapping and cheering about his switch. I'm sorry, but I don't trust political expedience or people who readily switch political parties because it implies that they don't have a stolid ideology in the first place.

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    by mahakali overdrive on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:26:39 PM PST

    •  I get your concern, but I think a reasonable (6+ / 0-)

      distinction here is that Crist's switch comes before his next campaign, not immediately after - I'm not sure that does much to answer any questions about motive but it removes the deception element present in these two switches, the element which I think is most outrageous.  I'd be disappointed but not quite as angry had these two switched party shortly before standing for election.  As it is, this is a bait-and-switch and they really should be punished severely by their voters - but when will that chance present itself?

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      by auron renouille on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:30:08 PM PST

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      •  I don't trust anyone who doesn't (2+ / 0-)
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        understand the profound difference between a Democrat and a Republican, sorry. I really don't and cannot. Crist seems to either not know himself, which makes him unfit in my view to lead, or else to be using political expedience which is also untrustworthy.

        I admit that I take a hard-line view here, but I don't like this for reasons like those in this diary. I am a Leftist, and I have never seen anything attractive in the GOP because there is, in my view, a huge difference.

        When the difference is diminished, it only makes it harder for voters to not be apathetic or cynical about a candidate or a party.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:38:13 PM PST

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      •  Crist also Governed more in the middle so his (3+ / 0-)
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        switch is not all that surprising given how conservative the GOP is in Florida these days

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        by ecostar on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 10:14:58 PM PST

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        •  He was nowhere near the middle. He just wasn't (1+ / 0-)
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          in the looney bin.

          "Sane for a Republican" doesn't mean the same thing as "Sane".

          As long as you let Grover Norquist define the frame, pretending that a Reagan Clone (politically) is moderate, you're participating in driving this country rightward.

          Off a damned cliff.

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          by JesseCW on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 05:27:55 AM PST

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    •  The whole "no labels" thing is bs (10+ / 0-)

      More like "no principles"...



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      by chuckvw on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:45:41 PM PST

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    •  As someone who appreciates your writing (0+ / 0-)

      And impressive deductive reasoning skills, I offer at least my own personal reason for not belonging to a political party.  Many people assume that I do not have strong political beliefs because I consider myself an independent.   Some people who choose not to have a party affiliation probably do fit that description.  Many independants/moderates are people like myself who have strong views, but the totality of those views do not fit neatly in either of the two major parties political orthodoxy.

      I strongly believe we need more gun control.  
      I strongly support marriage equality and reproductive rights.
      I consider myself a fiscal conservative.
      I am in favor of vouchers.

      I'll throw in two positions I have moved considerably left on in recent years (maybe it's all the time I spend reading this site........)

      I favor a pathway to citizenship for undocumented workers.  
      I believe we should significantly reduce our military budget and we should withdraw from Afghanistan ASAP

      Had I wished to pursue a career in politics I would have been forced to choose one of two parties that I do not comfortably fit into.  I undoubtably would be a called a DINO or RINO depending on which choice I made and probably would not survive a primary unless I chose to obfuscate my true feelings about certain positions.  Charlie Crist probably was in a similar boat ideologically and likely did make trade offs in order to survive as a Republican.  I am sure he will do that now that he is a Democrat too.  While It is not unfair to look upon him as an opportunist, it is also would be not unfair to give him a pass because of his limited choices when it came time to choose a party affiliation.

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