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  •  That's not exactly what happened in VA in 2009 (2+ / 0-)
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    What happened was, the Virginia Democratic Party couldn't get its act together and fractured into three factions: one backing local NoVa guy Brian Moran, one backing DLC carpetbagger Terry McAuliffe, and the smallest and quietest backing Creigh Deeds.

    McAuliffe and Moran destroyed each other in a vicious, no-holds-barred primary fight, leaving Deeds as the last man standing. Then Deeds tried to backpedal his way into the Governor's mansion and got justifiably walloped.

    I was there. I remember. We fucked up, but not quite the way you tell it.

    We have another Gubernatorial election coming up, and we HAVE to make sure we don't blow it again. If that means holding our collective noses and voting for McAuliffe (obvious disclosure: I neither like nor trust him), then so be it.

    If it's
    Not your body,
    Then it's
    Not your choice
    And it's
    None of your damn business!

    by TheOtherMaven on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:09:47 AM PST

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    •  That is the excuse and what happened is in those (0+ / 0-)

      numbers. Obama voters, specifically young and African American did not show to hold ground in the state.

      As a result, and plenty of people on this site got all pissy about not being satisfied with Democrats, "unenthused" with Deeds and generally not hard headed enough to realize "sitting out" (I call it running in the face of the enemy) would bring about the likes of Cuccinelli, the requirements abortion clinics become mini-hospitals, persecution of climate change scientist and all the rest; most of all a radical TP/GOP state house at the time of reapportionment.

      In the face of the TP/GOP slate Virginia was presented with anyone, anyone at all, that sat it out on our side fucked up to all our detriment. Voting is as much about keeping the rot to a minimum, not just putting good people in and certainly not football like pep rally fandom.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:16:31 PM PST

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      •  The burnout came in and just after the primaries (1+ / 0-)
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        and had less to do with dissatisfaction with the President (who had been in office for only a few months then) and much, MUCH more to do with the unhappiness of those whose candidates tore each other to shreds so that neither one won, plus the miserably incompetent campaign, including a HARD tack to the right, run by the primary "winner". Or didn't you know/had you forgotten that Deeds tried to run AWAY from the President's policies and TOWARD the conservanuts?

        You KNOW what happens when the voters get a choice between a fake Republican and a real one. (I held my nose and voted for Deeds, but with absolutely zero enthusiasm. But at least I DID vote. But then I always do.)

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:45:12 PM PST

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        •  That is what we HAVE to do. (0+ / 0-)

          Years ago I was in Louisiana when the good government people put out a bumper sticker to the effect:

          Vote for the crook. It is necessary.
          That crook was Edwin Edwards, indeed later in prison for actions in politics. The choice was a Grand something-or-other KKK type.

          I remember the campaign well. I remember very well the whining here on this site about all three primary candidates. Deeds was incompetent as a candidate, but sometimes it is necessary to vote for even Republican Lite without a lot of campaign skill to keep the likes of what we've got out.

          Politics is not a game. We can't just dislike all the teams because one or the other will make laws that can tell us how much we pay, what public services we get, what we can do with our bodies . . .

          Sitting out elections is not really an option despite what so many seem to think. By the time damage is evident, as with unions in Michigan, it is too damn late to smell the coffee.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:16:58 PM PST

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