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    •  And even if they can't, (18+ / 0-)

      consummating a marriage has not been a legal requirement  for hundreds of years.

                         Just my two cents,
                               Heather

      Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

      by Chacounne on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:30:05 PM PST

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      •  Depends on the place you live, actually. (7+ / 0-)

        Or so I've heard.

        And I really wish there was someplace that had all the various state legal standards on that laid out because of 1) arguments like this (which have been an actual issue with getting gay marriage in Britain - some in the church were insisting PIV was required for marriage) and 2) it also has BIG implications for some people in the asexual community, including me.

        Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

        by Cassandra Waites on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:50:49 PM PST

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      •  partly true--there is no legal requirement (1+ / 0-)
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        that a marriage be consummated if both partners in the marriage are OK with it.

        All marriages are assumed valid unless proven otherwise, so if both spouses are in agreement and no one is complaining then everything is fine.

        But if one wants sex and finds out after the marriage that the other doesn't (or can't), then the one who does want sex can use non-consummation as grounds for annulment (or divorce).

        Still looking for a reliable link...

        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
        Four More Years! How sweet it is!!!

        by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:06:03 AM PST

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    •  So two 60-year-olds can't get married... (6+ / 0-)

      because "they can never conceive children together." I married my current wife when she was post-menopausal, so does that mean we're not legally married under DOMA or are not people deserving of 14th Amendment protections. By the way, we have consummated our marriage (many many times now!) and think our marriage is beneficial to society, as well as to ourselves and our acquired families.

      So if two people, any two people, love each other and want to get married, I say more power to them--the more love the better. Marriage is positively wonderful when you're with someone you love and respect and who loves and respects you, and that shouldn't be denied to any couple lucky enough to find their special someone, male or female. But it can also be sad and soul-wrenching if that love and respect later dies and disappears. I've been through both, and am so glad I finally found someone who loves being with me for the long haul as much as I love being with her. So hooray for love and all who can find it. And those who don't like that are just grinches and can go to hell.

      These are troubling times. Corporations are treated like people. People are treated like things. ... If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now. — Rev. Dr. William Barber, II to the NAACP, July 11, 2012

      by dewtx on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:13:20 PM PST

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      •  Miracles happen! (0+ / 0-)

        Remember that Sarah conceived Isaac when she was beyond childbearing years, and when Abraham was 100 years old!

        Genesis 21:1-7 (KJV, of course!):.

        And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken. For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him. And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac. And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him. And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him. And Sarah said, God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me. And she said, Who would have said unto Abraham, that Sarah should have given children suck? for I have born him a son in his old age.
      •  Exactly. My husband and I have been (2+ / 0-)
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        Together for nearly twenty years and we don't have children. I guess we're not really married.

      •  not true :-D (2+ / 0-)
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        and in fact this was one of the arguments used in Goodridge:  since people past childbearing age and/or otherwise incapable of childbearing are allowed to marry, that proves ability for procreation is NOT a requirement for a legally valid marriage

        marriage equality for ALL

        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
        Four More Years! How sweet it is!!!

        by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:10:42 AM PST

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