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  •  "God made US het, who made YOU gay?" (6+ / 0-)

    The way I've seen it explained (& verified by the brick wall I got when I tried to discuses this with my SIL -- very evangelical.

    No one chooses to be heterosexual, God made us heterosexual. Not doing what God wants for us is a sin, etc. etc.

    :-(

    I think they go glassy eyed because to them it's a nonsense question, not a "gotcha" -- sort of like when people who believe in god made statements about atheist dogmas.  Very frustrating.

    Giving birth (giving life) should be a gift not an obligation or women and poor people are 2nd class by definition

    by julifolo on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 04:33:51 PM PST

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    •  I wish I could credit the Kossack who uses it as (12+ / 0-)

      their sig line, but I've stolen it to use in situations with the uninformed:

      Homosexuality exists in four hundred and fifty species, homophobia in one.
      Now, who's unnatural?
      Yeah, I know.  You can't blind them with science if they're already blinded by hate.

      And yet, we try.  We always try.

      Marti

      We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

      by The Marti on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:17:11 PM PST

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      •  I like to say Wow that means you can change (4+ / 0-)

        back and forth whenever you like, HOW COOL!

        The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

        by cherie clark on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 06:05:54 PM PST

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        •  How many heads have you made explode? ;-) (5+ / 0-)

          btw...love your sig line, too.  I always "hear" it, as he spoke it, with tears in his voice.  

          We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

          by The Marti on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 06:36:19 PM PST

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          •   A few, the response is almost always (4+ / 0-)

            Well, I can't just decide to be homosexual. Oh, I know trust me I know, you didn't choose and gay people didn't choose either

            I thought a long time about what to use. When I get really frustrated  if I take a deep breath I hear Uncle Teddy telling me not to give up keep pushing forward, the dreams shall never die. Yep. I really miss him. I wrote about him under my old Nom give you a link read it if you like.

            Redemption

            The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

            by cherie clark on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 07:29:08 PM PST

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            •  Thank you!! Well worth the read, and told me (1+ / 0-)
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              a few things I didn't know before.

              When people who know even less about him than I do, have talked about him in 'those terms' I ask them,
               "How would you like your entire life to be defined by the single worst thing you've ever thought or done?  Even the thing that no one else knows about?  And how would you redeem yourself?  Now, look at what he's done since.  Could you do as well?"  

              Reactions vary, but I often get very thoughtful replies.

              The Senate, and we, are poorer for his loss.

              Marti

              We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

              by The Marti on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:02:58 AM PST

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              •  Glad you enjoyed it, he is a hero of mine (1+ / 0-)
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                A lot of people thought it was defending John Edwards, it wasn't. It was to say the scandal  was the true test of Edwards character and authenticity. What we thought really didn't matter if Edwards was for real, a populist champion of the poor then he would redeem himself just like Teddy did. As it turned out he was no Teddy, at least not so far. Teddy may have been a one of a kind and I believe his life exemplifies redemption.

                The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

                by cherie clark on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:21:21 AM PST

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        •  Yes, that would be cool. It would also (2+ / 0-)
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          be cool to be able to download any knowledge you want directly into your brain (so no more schools) and guess what, the technology that will eventually make that possible is the same.

          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

          by Throw The Bums Out on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:13:19 AM PST

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      •  I think that's chrislove's sig. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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        Cogito, ergo Democrata.

        by Ahianne on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:10:51 PM PST

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    •  God loves gay people he made so many of them (1+ / 0-)
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      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      Four More Years! How sweet it is!!!

      by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:11:22 AM PST

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