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  •  Seriously? (8+ / 0-)

    You expect outrage from me for "callouts" to a small band of ideologues who regularly swarm into diaries with tired NRA talking points that are antithetical to my beliefs? A band whose tactics and lack of humanity I find highly objectionable?

    Seriously? You are drawing equivalence between a blog post and a shooting at an elementary school that killed twenty, including ten children?

    See, that's the problem. You and your little band have no perspective, no humanity. No caring for others except perhaps your little band.

    The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

    by SoCalSal on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 10:46:02 AM PST

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    •  I'm a bit unsure what your point is here. (4+ / 0-)
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      The top of this thread says:

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       All of you. (16+ / 4-)

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      This blood is on the hands of everyone who enables the gun & violence lobby's agenda
      that has left this country awash in a trail of dead and wounded brought down by your fucking guns.

      Fuck you.

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      by jan4insight on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:32:33 AM EST

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      WE are personally being blamed here and you rec'd the comment???

      Debating our political differences on a blog now equals the murder of innocent children???

      But then you say this:

      You are drawing equivalence between a blog post and a shooting at an elementary school
      What occurred today is a soul wrenching preventable disaster and because we disagree on the political solution, it's all our fault? It makes us evil, amoral and inhumane?

      Could you point out how my across the board Democratic voting makes me a killer? Or any of us here?

      Unless you're referencing this.

      If so, then YES, I take personal responsibility for those deaths and might I suggest you do the same?

      Once that's done, can we have an honest discussion of what can be done to keep the destructive, amoral & criminal policies of the Rethugs from being implemented for the next generation when we lose total control of the levers of our government?

      Could we???

      Could we discuss how 30 yrs of defunding our social safety nets have resulted in the breakdown we witnessed today in Connecticut???

      Could we???

      Maybe when the emotional shock has abated?

      Maybe then?

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:05:20 PM PST

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      •  Yours is the first comment (1+ / 0-)
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        that I've read from a gun rights advocate today on DKos that acknowledges today's shooting as tragic and, as you describe, soul wrenching:

        What occurred today is a soul wrenching preventable disaster
        Every other comment from a particular group was repeat of tired talking points made in other diaries in the past, as if repetition would make a statement convincing and deflect from today's tragedy. Only in their minds. The lack of concern for victims -- children! -- and their families is creepy.

        I stand by that comment rec because I believe that every person who claims that today's gun laws are adequate, who claims that government has no right to restrict gun ownership, therefore contributes to NRA propaganda and the mess we're in today.

        So no, debating differences of opinion does not equal the murder of children, but joining with the NRA positions of "no gun restrictions whatsoever" makes for complicity.

        Yes, you and I might agree on improvements to the social safety net. In terms related to gun safety, significantly more government support must be given to mental health support and preventing access to guns by the mentally unstable. That's a difficult issue but obvious to me that it must be addressed.

        And we share distrust and dislike of today's republican party, but I don't believe that the country is in danger to "lose total control of the levers of our government".

        The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

        by SoCalSal on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:38:46 PM PST

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        •  Rec'd for honest respectful disagreement. (1+ / 0-)
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          None of us have ever said that there shouldn't be any restrictions.  We all seem to agree, we don't want convicted criminals or the mentally unstable having access to said devices.  

          I've always believed the States could do almost anything they wanted, not the Federal Government, especially with regards to the 2nd A. I don't think the NRA agrees with me though. And the majority of our members detest the NRA, their games and Fear Porn For Profit©, (FPFP for short). So, equating us to their right-wing political action group doesn't help us solve these problems.

          Stricter gun laws won't change health privacy issues and protections.  Will you give up your right to medical privacy? Or your childrens'?

          Say we propose a law like Any person on a prescription drug must register said use with the NICS and pay for it through user fees.  Or even easier, have the Pharmacist automatically send the info into the database???

          If said prescription drug registered isn't for a mental disorder, approve the background check??? The database would have to be enormous, 4.2 billion prescriptions are written every year in America.

          There are always alternatives that we haven't actually discussed or thought of yet.  It seems the debate is "no guns" or "all guns"...I simply don't agree with that framing and many of my fellow RKBA members don't either.

          I hope when emotions have settled down we could continue this. For now, I'll suggest this posting I made in MB's diary just a bit ago.

          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:47:46 PM PST

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          •  Well.... (0+ / 0-)

            you might not like my ideas on gun safety laws, but my ideas are based on personal experience with individuals who should not be allowed to have guns. To begin with, I want an assault weapons ban and stringent concealed carry laws.

            Medical privacy issues?

            Say we propose a law like Any person on a prescription drug must register said use with the NICS and pay for it through user fees.  Or even easier, have the Pharmacist automatically send the info into the database???
            That prescription drug registration and fee you suggest isn't going to happen that way. While I share your concern with the "just take a pill" culture in the US (pervasive with doctors and overall population), my take on medical records could be different than yours.

            I'm a believer in good electronic medical records systems because I've seen firsthand how the systems can save lives, prevent prescription errors; a benefit that far outweighs any risk of privacy infringement.

            I just don't find the Big Brother concept to be a credible threat.

            The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

            by SoCalSal on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:55:41 AM PST

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            •  I never said anything about "big brother". (0+ / 0-)

              If we are to find legitimate solutions, we must help one another.

              Banning stuff doesn't help the distraught bullied teenager, the depressed single mother or the distressed college student.

              Funding for free public mental health services would.

              Tying the NICS system into a mandatory reporting database for those on psychotic drugs would. Every drug that has known side-effects that interfere with cognitive abilities, report the prescription and the person taking it.

              Say you got your gun last week because you passed the NICS background check and two weeks later your spouse leaves you, you get fired and evicted, you go to the doc's for Prozac or Paxil, your permit could be flagged or suspended.

              In New York, you have to identify ever member whom may have access to a firearm if you want to get a permit.  If a member is a convicted felon, you don't get one yourself.  The laws could be modified, say if you have children, no permit.  Children on drugs, no permit. Spouse on anti-depressants, no permit.

              If we really want to save lives, then what's stopping us?

              It sure as hell isn't the damn 2nd Amendment.

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 11:33:34 AM PST

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              •  Aha. I totally misunderstood your earlier point (1+ / 0-)
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                about the prescription drug database, which I read as a new topic. Here I was thinking that permits should be revoked for anyone involved in domestic dispute. I was just thinking too small! ;)

                Antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds don't lead to a propensity towards violence except, perhaps, to oneself. So those restrictions are too draconian even for me.

                These restrictions you describe are not ones that I've read previously from the RKBA group. Good comment from you; it urges me to do more research and thinking.

                The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

                by SoCalSal on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:39:50 PM PST

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    •  You are quite wrong. (2+ / 0-)
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      But I predict you will continue to let your misplaced anger at the RKBA group blind you to that fact.

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