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  •  I'd rather have no pycho in a school (1+ / 0-)
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    If your solution involves taking rights away from law abiding innocent people, then yes I will nip that in the bud.  If your solution involves understanding why people go crazy and trying to do something about it, then I'll listen.

    If I could snap my fingers and disarm the entire world I would.  But I can't and neither can you.  And that's why I won't disarm only the law abiding.  

    If you think that a gun ban is going to keep your kids safe from a psyco with a gun, then you probably also think that the Patriot Act is keeping you safe.  Do you agree with that?  Did the loss of your 4th Amendment rights and the torture of innocent Muslims keep you safe?

    •  Before 1864..... (2+ / 0-)
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      ....owning a person was a "right" of law-abiding innocent people.

      After a certain date in the future, owning a gun will go the same way as owning a slave.

      The only question is how many people get killed before that point.

      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

      by sagesource on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:36:29 PM PST

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    •  the problem with this rhetoric (6+ / 0-)

      clearly lies in the sharp, high-contrast distinction being made between "law abiding innocent people" and either "criminals" or "crazy people."

      People in the real world do not have white hats and black hats, so that they're easy to tell apart.

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      by nota bene on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:32:41 PM PST

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    •  The problem (7+ / 0-)

      is that the lines between the "law abiding" and the "criminal" are more skewed than most are willing to admit. All criminals were once law abiding, and most perpetrators of gun crime were law abiding citizens when they decided to buy their guns (and most of the time, those guns were bought for law-abiding purposes).

      Also, people seem to overestimate their own ability to protect themselves (or anything) with a gun. If someone wants to kill you bad enough, you are going to be dead. The majority of gun owners do not have anything near the training and judgment that they think they have. These are not Seals acting with precision. In reality, most of these people are only able to defend themselves with weapons in their wildest dreams.  

      "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." ~Bobby Kennedy

      by Grizzard on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:38:53 PM PST

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    •  Find a Libertarian forum (1+ / 0-)
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      Norm, you say I want to take "rights away from law abiding innocent people". No. They can still serve in a well-regulated militia. No person has an intrinsic right to kill innocent children in school.

      Then you jump to torture and the Patriot Act, and I realize that we're in backwards world. You're equating left-leaning gun control with a right-leaning police state. The only perspective these two look the same is from an extreme Libertarian point of view.

      The Constitution never guaranteed anything like the right to have the guns that boy used today, and the specious argument that it does is exactly why we had the tragedy we did today.

      "Stare at the monster: remark/ How difficult it is to define just what/ Amounts to monstrosity in that/ Very ordinary appearance." - Ted Hughes

      by MarkC on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:20:24 PM PST

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