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  •  Are plastic bags protected by the Constitution? (0+ / 0-)

    The point I am making is that there is no way to implement Chinese gun legislation that would forcibly disarm Americans in an attempt to prevent future tragedies like this, without violating the 2nd Amendment.

    Implementing a single Chinese policy does make us a communist state if that policy is unconstitutional.

    There is one avenue open, and that is to get the majority of Americans to vote to overturn their own rights and end individual gun ownership. Good luck with that.

    •  Yeah, we're not talking repealing the 2nd Amdmt (4+ / 0-)
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      At least I'm not advocating an overturn of the 2nd Amendment here. That has little to do with this diary.

      We're discussing whether or not the easy access to guns made this situation worse than it could have been under different regulations (ie, different enforcement of the Constitutional right to bear arms), and whether the shooter's use of a gun instead of another potential weapon is at least part of the high death toll. And the answer is obvious.

      The actions we take based on conclusions made from this discussion may have to do with the 2nd Amendment. But we're not there yet.

      "In an individual, selfishness uglifies the soul; for the human species, selfishness is extinction." -Cloud Atlas, by David Mitchell

      by rigcath on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:47:33 PM PST

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      •  Define easy access (0+ / 0-)

        For the purposes of gun control, there are two main types of gun crime:  The crime of passion, and the premeditated murder.

        The crime of passion is caused by a sudden, very emotional event.  A person snaps, reaches for a gun at hand and acts.  Quickly, and with little thought.

        Premeditated murder is planned.  And a person who plans is prepared to wait.

        Background checks and cooling off / waiting periods for a gun purchase are reasonable, fully constitutonal safeguards.  No one should sell a gun to an angry/scared looking man at 11:30pm.  It's not a good idea, like giving keys to a drunk person.

        However, if a person passes all background checks, then gun ownership must be permitted as the 2nd Amendment is an individual right.

        That right is not absolute, it can be taken away from individuals by due process.  But we are assumed innocent and assumed to have our full rights unless deprived of them in court.

        So assuming that Adam Lanza legally owned his guns by say 6 months, and 100 rounds was all he owned, and that's a rational household number, my uncle is a deer hunter, that's the season for a party of 5.

        So if Adam Lanza yesterday was a legal gun owner, then none of the cooling off laws mattered.  He was going to kill people, lines on maps don't stop anything.  

        So they only way that today's tragedy could possibly have been averted is if absolute gun access was abolished, not just easy access.

        Given the details, I don't suspect this will be a case where easy access is an issue.  Most likely the only way we could have been assured a gun wasn't at hand would be by full repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

        Call it to a vote then.

    •  Do you know what "communist" means? (6+ / 0-)

      Maybe you should give this page a read.  Here's part of it:

      Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.
      See, there's nothing about guns in there.  It's all about public ownership of the means of production.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:30:13 PM PST

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