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    •  After a brief and respectful waiting period. (1+ / 0-)
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      January, for instance.

      Impeach Norquist!

      by kitebro on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 12:41:45 PM PST

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      •  And after the next mass slaughter in January... (3+ / 0-)
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        "a brief and respectful waiting period" till February or March?

        Sorry, no. Now is the fucking time.

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:01:17 PM PST

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        •  That is foolhardy at best. (0+ / 0-)

          If you want anti-gun people put in a bad light, now is the time. If you want to ever see the laws changed, behaving in a decent way will more likely get results. If it was a child of mine who died, I would want to put him or her to rest without a sideshow. Besides, Congress ain't doing a damned thing about anything of this magnitude before the holidays. So yeah, January.

          Impeach Norquist!

          by kitebro on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:20:00 PM PST

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      •  and what gurantee that we can get (2+ / 0-)
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        out of December let alone into January without another mass killing?

        Just because the Clackamas mall shooter's gun jammed and he wasn't more successful doesn't mean it wasn't a mass murder.   That was December 11 right, so it's not time to talk about that one yet and we've had this one.   So why don't you tell us again when we really get to bring it up.  

      •  Are we still in the respectful waiting window (1+ / 0-)
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        for the Clackmas shooting? Have we finally exited the respectful waiting window for the Aurora shooting? How about the Ft Hood shooting? I mean that one hasn't even gone to trial yet.

        Is the window of respectful waiting reset with each new incident or does it run concurrently?

        •  There was a shooting today. (0+ / 0-)

          There are tiny bodies that are still warm. If this shooting hadn't happened, then today would have been a great time to move forward to get gun control happening, in response to those other shootings. But today did happen. The respectable thing to do is give the families a little time. But not everyone is respectable. Sadly. And that will be my last posting in this diary. Good night.

          Impeach Norquist!

          by kitebro on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:35:26 PM PST

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          •  I don't think that anyone (1+ / 0-)
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            is advocating forcing the families to become involved in the conversation. What is being advocated is the start of the conversation.

            In no way us that disrespectful to the victims or the families.

            In many ways it is incredibly respectful. It means that some small spark of good came from such a horrible tragedy. That could be the legacy of their short lives and tragic end.

            A list of the mass shootings in the US Columbine to present. Please tell me, again, when the window of respectful waiting will open up for the conversation.

            April 1999 - two teenage schoolboys shot and killed 12 schoolmates and a teacher at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, before killing themselves.

            July 1999 - a stock exchange trader in Atlanta, Georgia, killed 12 people including his wife and two children before taking his own life.

             September 1999 - a gunman opened fire at a prayer service in Fort Worth, Texas, killing six people before committing suicide.

            October 2002 - a series of sniper-style shootings occurred in Washington DC, leaving 10 dead.

            August 2003 - in Chicago, a laid-off worker shot and killed six of his former workmates.

            November 2004 - in Birchwood, Wisconsin, a hunter killed six other hunters and wounded two others after an argument with them.

            March 2005 - a man opened fire at a church service in Brookfield, Wisconsin, killing seven people.

            October 2006 - a truck driver killed five schoolgirls and seriously wounded six others in a school in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania before taking his own life.

            April 2007 - student Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people and wounded 15 others at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, before shooting himself, making it the deadliest mass shooting in the United States after 2000.

            August 2007 - Three Delaware State University students were shot and killed in “execution style” by a 28-year-old and two 15-year-old boys. A fourth student was shot and stabbed.

            September 2007 - A freshman student at Delaware State University shot and wounded two other students at a campus dining hall.

            December 2007 - a 20-year-old man killed nine people and injured five others in a shopping center in Omaha, Nebraska.

            December 2007 - a woman and her boyfriend shot dead six members of her family on Christmas Eve in Carnation, Washington.

            February 2008 - a shooter who is still at large tied up and shot six women at a suburban clothing store in Chicago, leaving five of them dead and the remaining one injured.

            February 2008 - a man opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, Illinois, killing five students and wounding 16 others before laying down his weapon and surrendering.

            July 2008 – A former student shot three people in a computer lab at South Mountain Community College, Phoenix, Arizona.

            September 2008 - a mentally ill man who was released from jail one month earlier shot eight people in Alger, Washington, leaving six of them dead and the rest two wounded.

            October 2008 - Several men in a car drove up to a dormitory at the University of Central Arkansas and opened fire, killing two students and injuring a third person.

            December 2008 - a man dressed in a Santa Claus suit opened fire at a family Christmas party in Covina, California, then set fire on the house and killed himself. Police later found nine people dead in the debris of the house.

            March 2009 - a 28-year-old laid-off worker opened fire while driving a car through several towns in Alabama, killing 10 people.

            March 2009 - a heavily-armed gunman shot dead eight people, many of them elderly and sick people, in a private-owned nursing home in North Carolina.

            March 2009 - six people were shot dead in a high-grade apartment building in Santa Clara, California.

            April 2009 – An 18-year-old former student followed a pizza deliveryman into his old dormitory, and shot the deliveryman, a dorm monitor, and himself at Hampton University, Virginia.

            April 2009 - a man shot dead 13 people at a civic center in Binghamton, New York.

            July 2009 - Six people, including one student, were shot in a drive-by shooting at a community rally on the campus of Texas Southern University, Houston.

            November 2009 - U.S. army psychologist Major Nidal Hasan opened fire at a military base in Fort Hood, Texas, leaving 13 dead and 42 others wounded.

            February 2010 – A professor opened fire 50 minutes into at a Biological Sciences Department faculty meeting at the University of Alabama, killing three colleagues and wounding three others

            January 2011 - a gunman opened fire at a public gathering outside a grocery in Tuscon, Arizona, killing six people including a nine-year-old girl and wounding at least 12 others. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was severely injured with a gunshot to the head.

            July 2012 - Masked gunman opens fire at midnight cinema screen of new Batman film The Dark Knight Rises, killing 12 and injuring 58. Suspect James Holmes is arrested by oplice and awaiting trial.

            August 2012 - Gunman kills six people at SIkh temple in Wisconsin before being shot dead by police. Suspect is named as white supremacists Wade Michael Page.

            August 2012 - Three people were killed at Texas A&M University when a 35-year-old man went on a shooting rampage; one of the dead was a police officer.

            September 2012 - A 36-year-old man who had just been laid off from Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, Minnesota, entered his former workplace and shot five people to death, and wounded three others before killing himself.

            December 2012 - A 22-year-old began shooting at random at a mall near Portland, Oregon, killing two people and then himself.

            December 2012 - One man, and possibly more, murders twenty-seven people at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, including eighteen children.

            There will never be a "right time" for this conversation for everyone. But I, personally, feel the right time is now. If not now, when? "When" never seems to come around but these incidents continue to happen. Something must change.
      •  There have been two mass shootings *this week*. (1+ / 0-)
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        There is a certain degree of urgency here.  

        Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

        by Dale on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:29:10 PM PST

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        •  There are dead children to be buried. (0+ / 0-)

          You want antigun people portrayed the way the "God Hates Fags" people are when they protest funerals. Because any protest happening prior to the burial will be shown in that light.

          Impeach Norquist!

          by kitebro on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:24:57 PM PST

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