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  •  Fails badly (4+ / 0-)

    here's the thing, when the NRA vision of guns works, it works well.  Those isolated cases of people deterring crime for reals, not just the stand-your-ground type paranoid fears, with guns.  But when it doesn't work, when the model of dispersed gun ownership as a public safety measure, shall we say backfires, we get this.  

    It's like saying the Corvair was a good car because most of the time it didn't explode.  (This is how my dad feels about his old Corvair.)

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:41:39 PM PST

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    •  My republican friend said (0+ / 0-)

      "...and yet this never seems to happen in Red states.  When's the last time this happened in Alabama or Texas?"

      This is not what the Left needs right now - a deeply heart-felt rallying point on which the GOP can build momentum and stage a comeback in 2014.  A distraction from all the reasons that voters supported Dems in 2012.  Let's just mourn and get back to business.  I'm convinced the kind of gun laws we could pass in the US could do nothing to stop this sort of thing.  And,...

      I have seen first hand how the gun people can upend an election.  In my state legislative district in PA in 2010, the gun lobby brought down a 20-year, popular incumbant Dem (Dave Levdansky), in favor of a nut-job on the far right fringe (Rick Saccone).  Saccone won by 130 votes.  In 2012, Saccone defeated Levdansky again, by about 100 votes, even though most of his district went fro Obama.  The gun people vote, and they vote loudly.

      I'm old enough to remember when PA was a Reagan Democrat state.  I remember the gun control issue was HUGE back then.  Even my dad, a true union steelworker, Roosevelt Dem, voted  for Reagan.  He was a bigtime hunter and anti-gun control voter.  We had the NRA sticker on our pick-up (before pick-ups became a fashion statement).

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