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  •  Since gun control leads its way back to the (6+ / 0-)
    I thought maybe it was because I live in Aurora, it's good to know the view from outside is similar. Maybe we have finally reached a tipping point.
    2nd Amendment, then yes, it is a political issue.  Not yelling at you BTW.  These uber, ou tres, over-the-top zealots will ALWAYS look to villify, obfuscate, try to silence or worse - dogwhistle to wipe out dissenters, or overtly scream against even so much as a discussion of this issue.

    This issue wasn't visited when a 9-yr old died the day that Gabrielle Giffords and others were gunned down.  This issue wasn't visited when people were massacred in your hometown of Aurora.  This issue wasn't visited when people died in an Oregon mall JUST THIS WEEK.

    So when?  Is money and profit so MUCH MORE VALUABLE than the lives of innocent human beings?  Even worse, children are being gunned down for no other reason but they were there AND this rifle had the capability of shooting 10s of bullets at a time, instead of a clip of several shots at a time?  This is also an ISSUE of screening anyone and everyone who wants to own a gun.  Heck we walk through Xray machines at airports so we can get cleared to walk onto a fucking airplane - why not screen, or at least start somewhere to create a more effective means of checks and balances on ownership.  Why not have people not only pass test of physical and mental health, but also a proficiency test - just like we do for driver's licenses...Just thinking out loud right now...

    I do think that Democrats need to have the courage to step up - lets' say someone who is NOT seeking re-election since this is such a political third rail for these cowards.  Let the Dems lead on taking the high ground on this one and call out for what's right.  Why can't Bill Clinton be convinced to speak out?  He's a Dem and obviously in NO danger of losing office or an election anymore.  Perhaps it could get the ball rolling.

    In the meantime, my heart and thoughts for comfort, support, courage and strength go out to those families and that community.  Please help them.

    "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." Ted Kennedy 1980 DNC Keynote Speech

    by Dumas EagerSeton on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:53:07 PM PST

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    •  You want a solution, here it is (29+ / 0-)

      First the actual text of the second amendment -A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

      That’s the whole thing, from start to finish. For years the focus has been on the second phrase, whilst the first has been ignored completely. It’s time to change that. Clearly the intent here was to allow people to “keep and bear arms” within the context of a “well regulated militia”.

      Fine and dandy, if people want to have arms, then they must join their state’s national guard. That is literally the well regulated militia. Too old, fat, infirm to join? Tough, no guns for you.
      No compromise.

      "crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government" -Thomas Jefferson

      by Phil In Denver on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:56:09 PM PST

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      •  Wish I could rec twice. (3+ / 0-)
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        n/t

        I'm a Kennedy Catholic.

        by EquiStar on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:13:50 PM PST

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      •  Agreed, this is an archaic portion of the Bill of (5+ / 0-)
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        -A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
        Rights and yet it's what gun owners and advocates cling to with white knuckled force.  It's entirely out of context as written.  Sadly the Supreme Court blessed the right of the individual to own guns albeit for "lawful" purposes such as self defense and muddied the waters but good.  

        We had to change other parts of our Constitution to include giving women the right to vote (19th Amendment), to eliminate the draft (17th Amendment), and 18yr olds attained the right to vote via the 26th Amendment.  Our country didn't crumble as a result.  I believe we could bear up if we changed the 2nd Amendment, and put in place laws, screening procedures, proficiency tests so that those who chose to own and use guns - would take full and serious responsibility for them.  Guns weren't built for looking at: they were intentionally created to KILL or MAIM or INJURE.  Anyone who tries to peddle a different notion is full of shit.  

        It's too much about profit, lives of our fellow human beings be damned.  Bleh!  

        "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." Ted Kennedy 1980 DNC Keynote Speech

        by Dumas EagerSeton on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:42:30 PM PST

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        •  Nice idea but (2+ / 0-)
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          it takes 2/3rds majorities to change the constitution and then ratification by the states after that. Pretty tall order in the current political climate.

          On the other hand, the executive branch has discretion on how the constitution is enforced. It may already within the POTUS purview to establish some restrictions. He could probably implement an idea like mine with a signing statement.

          "crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government" -Thomas Jefferson

          by Phil In Denver on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:55:26 PM PST

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          •  It's a tall order but one could plausibly counter (0+ / 0-)

            that when women were seeking the vote, when young men were asking that the draft be repealed or when 18 yr olds were asking for the right to vote, they encountered similar opposition.  Human beings are human beings and resistance to change, sometimes vehement resistance is part of that process.

            The top of a mountain is reached one step, sometimes painful ones - at a time.  It's time to at least begin the climb.

            Frederick Douglass once said, "Without struggle there can be no progress."

            Peace,
            DES

            "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." Ted Kennedy 1980 DNC Keynote Speech

            by Dumas EagerSeton on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:32:44 AM PST

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