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  •  Can States Act? (2+ / 0-)
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    ssgbryan, Laconic Lib

    I honestly think the leadership is completely absent, and has been for a long time at the Federal level.  

    I don't think Obama has a fiber for what will be a ugly, nasty and costly fight.  And the political Right has wrapped a suicide bomb around the waist of this country with extremist ideologies and intellectual bankruptcy on several issues, including on gun control. They rather see the end of the world, than engage in a honest debate about gun safety.

    Bloomberg is right on the money. I don't expect anything more than a bunch of words-- repeated after every new mass shooting.

    I wonder if individual states can take more meaningful and significant action to make secure their neighborhoods?

    •  (*&^$%^&* that bull. (1+ / 0-)
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      SCOTUS just changed the gun laws and made carrying a gun a universal right, similar to freedom of speech or assembly.

      Bad mouthing Obama in this circumstance is dishonest, unseemly, unpatriotic, and plainly counter to civility.

      •  Unpatriotic? (2+ / 0-)
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        ssgbryan, Laconic Lib

        Its similar to some on the right saying we shouldn't talk about it "in this circumstance," and militantly, shutting voices accusing others of being unseemly, dishonest or uncivil.

         your acidic reaction is troubling.

        It is only reasonable to suggest that solutions at the Federal level appear absent .

        Obama may be because of political risks or  improbabilities has remained silent and restrained from challenging gun laws despite several major episodes of massive gun violence during his presidency.  So expression of pessimism of his leadership on this issue doesn't make me unpatriotic.

        It is unfair to accuse that it indicates lack of patriotism. I am, and I would argue many others, are not optimistic that we would see a solution come out of Washington.  Of course, I wouldn't mind if I'm proved wrong.

        Our arguments may differ, but we share the honest desire to see significant reform.  Let's not label people in a fashion that would delegitmize and marginalize reasonable points of view.

      •  Except we don't have endless, unfettered... (1+ / 0-)
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        Laconic Lib

        ...speech or assembly. If the Occupy movement taught us nothing is that the government has no qualms with preventing speech and assembly. If our politicians are ok with limiting those, then they should have no problem with limiting guns, which, unlike standing in a square speaking, produces mass death.

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