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  •  No, we won't accept a defeatist attitude (7+ / 0-)

    before a fight is even waged.

    If that were the case, after every election that one party doesn't hold the White House, Senate and House of Representatives, all the politicians should just go on vacation until the next election and see what shakes out.

    nothing the President says or does will change a damn thing if congress members don't vote for or support gun control measures.
    The President and every damn Dem has to fight for this.  Over and over and over.  They have to educate and convince people that what they're fighting for is the right thing to do.
    •  You're missing my point (1+ / 0-)
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      which wasn't to throw up my hands.  The point is that focusing on one person, the President, which is what too many people seem to do, is too narrow an approach.  It must be a very wide and sustained effort.

      The pressure must be on the President - and Democrats, and Republicans, in Congress, in our state legislatures, in all the corridors of power.

      Just look at how change has happened throughout American history and you'll find that almost never has change happened by yelling just at the President to do something.  

      “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

      by puakev on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:03:53 PM PST

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      •  "focusing on one person, the President" (3+ / 0-)
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        Who was the "one" person who gave a speech today, the news outlets reported that the president would be speaking at a certain time, and they carried it, reported on it.

        So that phrase "one person" as if it's insignificant is wrong.

        And if you think this is what's happening:

        "almost never has change happened by yelling just at the President to do something."

        Then I feel sorry that you're missing the greater point and most important point.

        Excuses are endless, I know.  But have it.  

        •  Jeebus, I'm not excusing anything (1+ / 0-)
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          I mean, did you miss this part of my comment?:

          The pressure must be on the President - and Democrats, and Republicans, in Congress, in our state legislatures, in all the corridors of power.
          My view of change is different from yours.  I do not believe the "bully pulpit" and the office of the Presidency are nearly as all-powerful as you seem to believe.

          History is littered with Presidents who used the bully pulpit but accomplished nothing because there was no popular support or movement or organization or energy to back what those Presidents were trying to get done (see JFK, Hillarycare, Social Security privatization, FDR post-1937, LBJ post-1965).    

          “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

          by puakev on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:59:49 PM PST

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          •  I can't help you there. (1+ / 0-)
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            If you don't "believe" that the leader of the free world has any significant influence, again, I can't help you.

            My view of change is different from yours.  I do not believe the "bully pulpit" and the office of the Presidency are nearly as all-powerful as you seem to believe.
            •  The leader of the free world (0+ / 0-)

              has significant influence.  But not nearly as much as you seem to think.

              “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

              by puakev on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:49:42 PM PST

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