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  •  I'll add one. (5+ / 0-)

    Every time there's a mass murder, NRA supporters say the problem is that the killer is mentally ill.

    This is a total straw-man to get people to blame the mentally ill for the carnage, and keep emphasis away from the easy availability of guns.

    They make vague statements about not allowing the mentally ill to buy guns, but have made no strides towards doing so -- because it's impossible.

    What standards would prove mental illness? That they'd sought psychiatric help? That their facebook showed a racist skinhead?

    Who would enforce the standards? Gun shop owners? Gun show sellers?

    Besides, it would make a certain minority of the country specially singled out in legislature, and take away their 2nd amendment rights.

    Don't let this straw-man distract you!

    It's not just a zip code, it's an attitude.

    by sboucher on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:36:41 PM PST

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    •  Carolyn McCarthy was on tonight saying (12+ / 0-)

      that some of the social services being cut by Republicans include mental health and social services that might help prevent people from getting to the point that this kid did.

      I do not believe that mental health is a straw man.  I believe that social services being widely available - in addition to hospitalization - is an important part of the equation.

      What you might consider is why if the NRA thinks that mental health is such a big issue, then why do they not allow for 100% of guns being sold for background checks (instead of 60% or less); and why do they not set up mental health resources to prevent gun violence?  That's why they are total assholes.  They want their sales and want no part in keeping them legitimate and as safe as possible.

      •  I'm repeating myself, but I think it's good. (1+ / 0-)
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        Make the gun seller complicit with the crime. Gun sellers will be more careful if they might end up in court.

        Don't sell to weirdos. What responsible gun owner will oppose that?

        "Jersey_Boy" was taken.

        by New Jersey Boy on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:02:37 PM PST

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        •  Not sure weirdos is helpful term.... (0+ / 0-)

          The mentally ill are not killing all that many people- except of course themselves.  Suicide prevention would be a good public health announcement, although people are fatalistic in the gun industry that they will just find some way to kill themselves anyway.

          You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

          by murrayewv on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 10:59:27 PM PST

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      •  I have *never* had a problem (0+ / 0-)

        getting mental health care when I sought it, whether I was living in a large city or small county. For free, when I needed it. As were meds.

        The NRA doesn't think mental illness is such a big issue. They just pull it out and throw it around instead of considering any kind of real gun control.

        Look, over there!

        It's not just a zip code, it's an attitude.

        by sboucher on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:46:47 PM PST

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