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  •  I think that is partially because they have had (7+ / 0-)

    a lot of time to organize and develop their answers to most of the criticism. They also tend to be as harsh as they can be without going overboard so that they provoke commenters into making dumb comments. Many of us have done it.

    We have to be a sophisticated or even more sophisticated than they are.

    It isn't about agreeing or disagreeing. It is about moving the conversation forward and not getting caught in the traps.

    "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

    by ranger995 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:02:36 PM PST

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    •  If you want to move the conversation forward (3+ / 0-)
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      glorificus, JayFromPA, LilithGardener

      Throw in some new ideas and arguments that they won't have counter-arguments ready for.

      •  Even better (1+ / 0-)
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        As a nuts and bolts type of guy, how about ideas that don't violate the laws of physics and metallurgy!

        There are only so many times one can point out that hot metal doesn't keep it's shape before the umpteen dozenth 'suggestion' of microstamping inspires questions of bro-sis parentage on the part of the suggestion-giver.

        Also as a nuts and bolts type of guy, how about ideas that are fleshed out in terms of concrete steps that must be taken in order to achieve the goal! Reading yet another 'plan' in the form of
        1 - tell people idea
        2 - get a lot of support for idea
        3 - ?????
        4 - Profit!
        also inspires despair in me, as until 3a, 3b, 3c, etc are mapped out the 'plan' is just more magical thinking that cannot be put into place. I want a plan with everything thought through, everything else deserves scorn because it's nothing more substantial than vaporware.

        •  That plan worked for the NRA (1+ / 0-)
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          Let me give you an example:

          1) Obama wants to take all your guns!
          2) In support, people run out and buy guns all over the country.
          3) Gun manufacturers make huge profits and donate to the NRA to lobby against laws restricting gun ownership.
          4) PROFIT!

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 05:40:04 AM PST

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      •  My observation is that that has been done, but (1+ / 0-)
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        then it gets personal and absurd and discussion stops cold.

        I am not at all sure that a discussion can actually be had. I have NEVER seen it, even on Twigg's relatively peaceful thread on the topic last week *(or was it early this week?).

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:44:11 PM PST

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      •  And turn the subject around (0+ / 0-)

        Ask for constructive suggestions that aren't a rehash of punishing gun-involved crimes more harshly.

    •  The answers come from the NRA (0+ / 0-)

      for the most part. I'm sure that is just a coincidence, but they are professionally prepared and focus-group tuned.

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