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  •  He was mentally unwell (4+ / 0-)

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    He had been diagnosed with something like Asperger's plus OCD plus a personality disorder. He had no real friends and had always been reported to be odd.

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    by mahakali overdrive on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:06:32 PM PST

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    •  For me, that's not enough (2+ / 0-)
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      to form any conclusions at this point.  There are a lot of folk who have those disorders and they don't kill people.  Something set this kid off.  There is still a lot we don't know and I imagine it's going to take a while to sort it all through.

      I wouldn't want people to start correlating mental illness with criminal behavior because that's not necessarily so.

      •  It's not that one should say (5+ / 0-)

        all people with mental illnesses kill people. That would be false. But do all people who commit mass murder generally suffer from mental illness? I would say by and large, and we know this to be statistically true.

        Are all mental illnesses the same? Obviously not.

        Should mental illness be stigmatized? Of course not.

        But do some violent criminals struggle with higher rates of mental illness? Categorically so.

        Was this shooter thinking clearly? I don't think anyone could kill dozens of children if they were.

        My grandfather and uncle were both schizophrenic, incidentally. I know what mental stigmas look like. My uncle committed suicide.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:24:53 PM PST

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        •  Good question. I don't know the answer. (3+ / 0-)

          But at some point down the line, I do think that this should be a discussion as much as the gun issue.

        •  A brother in law and a step sister (6+ / 0-)

          Both schizophrenic. My step sister is only a danger to herself, my brother in law was a different story. When he was younger he was institutionalized after he tried to kill my in-laws and then broke out and came here.

          He has an infant son here and went to our police claiming he wanted to report a kidnapping. He said that he was the Archangel Michael and that the devil had stolen his child and replaced him with a devil infant that he intended to kill to bring back his son.

          We knew he was in town because our local cops called us and warned us. You see even tho' he escaped from involuntary incarceration in a mental institution it wasn't considered an illegal act here. We were terrorized for about a week and finally got him back to NY with help from the police who put him on a bus.

          You never know what the human mind is capable of.

          "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

          by high uintas on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:43:24 PM PST

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      •  In fact I heard today on tv that very few mentally (1+ / 0-)
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        ill people are actually violent.

        What we know is that there were three guns in the shooter's home. His state of mind may be revealed after the investigation and maybe not.

        ❧To thine ownself be true

        by Agathena on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:21:45 PM PST

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        •  Aside from that, in any conversation about gun (0+ / 0-)

          control, the need for more attention to mental illness, poverty and other social problems will be brought in as a diversion. The issue is that gun deaths are preventable so let's work towards that prevention.

          ❧To thine ownself be true

          by Agathena on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:30:23 PM PST

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