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    although I wasn't really thinking about Europe.

    It may be a gross oversimplification, but it's an important consideration for anyone who actually does want to see a decrease in gun violence. The vast majority of mass murderers are lone wolves or are ignored. In some societies, that flies under the radar. In others, it doesn't. In America, it's exceptionally easy to go unnoticed by other human beings. Is this a factor? I think it may be a factor in a lot which is wrong with the U.S., including our high rate of depression in general.

    To not discuss all aspects of this is, in my view, negligent.

    I like the Mother Jones article this links to:

    It shows how many mass shootings have occurred in the U.S. and is the most comprehensive map (according to the article) ever created. If you click each one, you can see more about these particular stories. There are some patterns, and this to me seems to be one of them and thus worth thinking about.

    I'd say others, along with gun legislation issues, are mental health care access, paramilitarism in our police force, and the other factors the diarist mentions as well.

    I fear that if we don't discuss all of these, we will not see any improvement in this situation. As a mother, it terrifies me to think of this not being comprehensively addressed.

    But for now, I will return to the diary at hand.

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    by mahakali overdrive on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:20:48 PM PST

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    •  ezra's post pretty much proves my point (3+ / 0-)
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      and the one clear pattern is that the shooters had easy access to guns. as i said, european cities and european small towns are not substantially different than ours. europe has all the same social dysfunctions we have. europeans don't have our staggering rates of gun deaths. they don't have guns. it's not complicated.

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      by Laurence Lewis on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:36:30 PM PST

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      •  Bit simplistic to say (1+ / 0-)
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        "one clear pattern."

        Europe isn't America in many, many ways.

        Again, I wasn't thinking of Europe so much as places where guns are readily available and yet school shootings were rare.

        Few are on this list. Why not?

        Serbia hasthe second highest per capitaand most liberal gun ownership laws in the world. So why aren't there more mass Serbian school shootings? Switzerland is fourth. Why don't the Swiss commit an equal degree of mass murders? Saudi Arabia is fifth. Again, why? What is the difference here? Why don't these countries have proportionally representative levels of mass murders?

        I think it need not be overly simplified if we care about stopping gun violence in the U.S.. If a disease needs medication, be sure your diagnosis is correct first or else the cure could be a stopgap measure. Whatever one supports, I think we need to be careful to properly assess what is wrong with America in full; otherwise, we may not find a strong solution even with increased gun regulation. We'll just wind up with more single-shot murders. To me, that's not acceptable.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:53:15 PM PST

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