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  •  The NRA warps the RKBA (3+ / 0-)
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    kestrel9000, oldpunk, VectorScalar

    int a partisan issue. The right to self-defense is universal and is neither reserved exclusively the state nor the cultural base of the NRA. The wingers need to get over themselves and their racial paranoia.

    That being said I support some demand-side reforms, where they would be most effective:

    If people, particularly poor people, feel more secure communities to begin with, they wouldn't feel compelled to arm themselves.

    If people had better access to mental health care and the stigma surrounding mental health care was removed, especially for men, then there would be fewer ticking time-bombs out there.

    If law enforcement was required to more assertively restrict weapon sales to mental patients and convicted felons, including the gun show loophole and private sales, then fewer disturbed individuals would have access to firearms.

    Finally, I'm going to say something that will get me HRed, but we need to allow teachers and professors and administrators working the the classroom to defend themselves with all available legal self-defense options.

    •  not from me (3+ / 0-)
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      oldpunk, fuzzyguy, VectorScalar

      you won't catch an HR.
      We probably don't agree entirely on what the gun show loophole is and isn't, but that's okay.
      We can have that conversation another time.
      I agree strongly with the remainder of your comment.

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      by kestrel9000 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 06:38:22 AM PST

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      •  Including arming teachers?? (2+ / 0-)
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        •  Yes, arm the teachers. (1+ / 0-)
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          VectorScalar

          There is absolutely no need to arm the students:

          I’ll repeat what I said in the Wall Street Journal op-ed section and on the Today show in 1999, after the Columbine High School atrocity: if we simply prepared teachers to handle this type of crisis the way we teach them to handle fires and medical emergencies, the death toll would drop dramatically.  We don’t hear of mass deaths of children in school fires these days: fire drills have long since been commonplace, led by trained school staff, not to mention sprinkler systems and smoke alarms and strategically placed fire extinguishers that can nip a blaze in the bud while firefighters are en route.  In the past, if someone “dropped dead,” people would cry and wring their hands and wail, “When will the ambulance get here?” Today, almost every responsible adult knows CPR; most schools have easily-operated Automatic Electronic Defibrillators readily accessible; and a heart attack victim’s chance of surviving until the paramedics arrive to take over is now far greater.

          The same principle works for defending against mass murders…it just doesn’t work HERE, because it is politically incorrect to employ it HERE.  After the Ma’alot massacre in 1974, Israel instituted a policy in which volunteer school personnel, parents, and grandparents received special training from the civil guard, and were seeded throughout the schools armed with discreetly concealed 9mm semiautomatic pistols.  Since that time, there has been no successful mass murder at an Israeli school, and every attempt at such has been quickly shortstopped by the good guys’ gunfire, with minimal casualties among the innocent.  Similar programs are in place in Peru and the Phillippines, with similarly successful results.

          http://backwoodshome.com/...

          "Gun free" areas are hunting grounds for psychopaths and delusional infamy seekers. There is guarantee, much less substantive proof that any would stop them from acquiring weapons. We need to deny them the ability to prey at will.

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