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  •  we go back, you and i (2+ / 0-)
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    kestrel9000, twigg

    way, way back.  i know you to be someone who's extremely  reasonable and fair, even if we disagree.  the "mood" i'm seeing overall in the last couple of days is going to direct some hostility your way, and that's regrettable.

    Yes, we need to talk about this. Please sign the dKos Petition to start a national conversation about gun control.

    by Avila on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:19:17 PM PST

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    •  And I go into this (3+ / 0-)
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      twigg, Avila, theboz

      being acutely aware of that.
      I kind of have an example to set now. I feel as if there's an onus on me around here.

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      by kestrel9000 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 12:54:08 PM PST

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      •  i understand (2+ / 0-)
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        kestrel9000, twigg

        not entirely, because i haven't ever felt that way, but as much as i can, with respect and sympathy for you.  

        people who have known you for a long time? you don't need to prove anything to us. ;)  i'm sorry you feel the burden and the onus, but i know that doesn't change anything.  you are not responsible for the events we've all agonized over, and i know you feel the pain from them, as well.  ((abrazos))

        Yes, we need to talk about this. Please sign the dKos Petition to start a national conversation about gun control.

        by Avila on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:30:30 PM PST

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          gracias mijita

          It's just what I gotta do. Someone has to be the voice of reasonable, responsible gun owners.

          A lot of mi hermanos are understandably raw, and stepping back. That's their right, and I in no sense begrudge them that.

          But we're going to have this discussion, and it's my duty to be part of it. I've been here seven years.

          I can't not.

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          by kestrel9000 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 02:01:36 PM PST

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          •  Well, this is nice to see. I'm glad you and twigg (1+ / 0-)
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            are reaching out to each other.

            "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

            by glorificus on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 03:33:23 PM PST

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