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  •  Thoughtful rant.... (22+ / 0-)

    I am always puzzled by the "guns to protect us from a tyrannical government" argument.

    The government gives me the right to own a gun to protect myself from the government that gives me the right to own a gun.

    I'm just sayin'...

    "Seed corn. It's what's for dinner!" Republican philosophy of governance

    by madame damnable on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:43:53 AM PST

    •  and no matter how many guns we own (18+ / 0-)

      We will ALWAYS be out gunned by our government. as long as we keep voting for new weapons systems for our military, and giving military weapons and war powers to our police forces, owning a gun to protect yourself against your government is spitting in the wind.  And the fastest way to make yourself and your family a target, bar none, is to point your weapon at a government official.  The only way to win this fight is to head it off at the ballot box.
      That particular argument for the 2nd amendment, that we need to be armed to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government, is the stupidest one.

      •  yeah, even people who fight us don't use guns (9+ / 0-)

        The insurgents in Iraq, the Taliban in Afghanistan, these guys focus on planting IEDs and launching RPGs, because if they get into gunfights, we call in support--- rockets, artillery, airpower.  Guns are no match for the US military.  So if our government ever really wanted to come get your guns, you can't stop them.

        Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

        by nominalize on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:03:12 AM PST

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      •  The Syrian revolution (3+ / 0-)
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        is doing a pretty bang-up job for a bunch of people armed with small-arms and few heavy manuver weapons.

        Just because the wingers are out of power now doesn't mean that they won't be back.

        Two attempted muggings and eight years of Bush taught me that to entirely trust the state with your protection is downright foolish.

        The 2nd Amendment is still a functional right. To believe otherwise is presumptuous.

        On the other hand, readily agree with greatly reducing the Culture War rhetoric as well as greatly reducing the size of the military.

        •  there is absolutely (1+ / 0-)
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          no comparison between the military-intelligence capabilities of the United States and that of Syria

          •  Armed Uprisings (0+ / 0-)

            The Assad regime had an even more oppressive apparatus inside their own borders. Police and internal security could stop, arrest and torture anyone at any time without any judicial oversight.

            Conversations across all media were regularly monitored and censored.

            The Syrian military is armed with the full assortment of modern heavy weapons and has used them indiscriminately on civilian populations.

            Both heavy maneuver and internal security forces have a very difficult time putting down wide-scale armed uprisings. We only have to look to Vietnam and Iraq for personal experience.

            Weapons sales and concealed carry permits go up every time one of these active shooter incidents happen. It makes one wonder about the unintended consequences of a wholesale ban:

            Would it set the baggers off? Perhaps, give them their long-sought casus belli to fight the government?

            Would it breathe new life into right-wing militias?

            If these people start a fight, is our government actually capable of engaging several Waco and Ruby Ridge-style incidents at the same time? Continuously?

            What would be the political fall-out from these engagements?

            Would our dominionist infested military and police forces fight them, or support them?

            I'm not liking our chances, here.

    •  If the government gives you a right (0+ / 0-)

      Then it isn't a right.

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