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  •  I don't enjoy killing (6+ / 0-)
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    In fact, there have been times I felt a great deal of remorse.  It's difficult watching something die....but if you are going to eat meat, you should at least be willing to occasionally.  When you pull a trigger and see a game animal take it's last breath, never to eat, sleep, mate...anything, appreciate what you have.  Seriously.  When you sit at a ball game and have a hot dog or eat chicken nuggets, you get to pretend what you're eating is no different from a donut or potato chips and that no creatures were harmed....but they were.  Terribly and permanently....though unlike game, many of them suffered through their entire existence.  I actually had a friend tell me she objected to hunting because she didn't want to be responsible for killing an animal....right after finishing a chili dog.  

    Killing sucks.  But what doesn't suck is at least knowing that unlike people eating meat from a restaurant or supermarket, I was willing to acknowledge that there was a creature behind that and expose myself to the pain that had to occur.  I don't apologize for that.  And I eat very little meat outside of game and fish these days....I have had only oatmeal and a spinach enchilada today, yesterday was just oatmeal, cereal, & yogurt.  What I do enjoy is being outdoors by myself and knowing that I am capable of harvesting game and preparing it in a way that is safe to consume....when I buy food, I have no idea how it was prepared or what was done to it.  I feel the same way about my small--but on it's way to expansion--garden.  

    Are there slobs and rednecks who really DO enjoy killing?  Absolutely.  Rest assured....even though I hunt, I am just as sickened when I see other supposed "hunters" with bumper stickers and shirts reading "PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals" "It flies, it dies" or "There's a place for all God's creatures...right next to the mashed potatoes".  (Sarah Palin has even used that last ignorant gem.)  Hunting as fashion statement is always juvenile.  I hate those assholes as much as I hate the NRA or shows like Duck Commander which cheapen life.  

    Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

    by Mark Mywurtz on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:01:40 PM PST

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    •  Good for you. (5+ / 0-)

      I've been a vegetarian for over 30 years. At one time, I dated a hunter - a damn-near fanatical one. I didn't have a problem with it. As I saw it, we came to very similar conclusions about killing animals. I could not do it, nor was I hypocritical enough to think it was OK as long I could get someone else to do it and I didn't have to dirty my own hands. He could do it, and as he said, he at least had the guts to look his dinner in the face and accept what eating meat involved. He did dirty his own hands, and he ate whatever he killed.

      It really is a very similar philosophy.

      I’m tired of sacrificing lives on the altar of the Second Amendment. - Mark Damico

      by Hastur on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:26:34 PM PST

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      •  Reminds me of this Shia Muslim -- (3+ / 0-)
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        -- in Mumbai with whom I had a heated discussion: herbivore (me) vs carnivore (he). He said that the killing of prey was part of the natural order of things. Primitive humans did it instinctively, we just get to do it with a little more thought.

        Ah, but you don't do the killing yourself, I riposted cleverly. Nothing instinctive about buying packaged cuts of meat.

        Ah, but I do, when it's part of the tradition, he said.

        And damn me if he didn't do it the very next day, as part of Bakri Id, a very important Muslim religious holiday. And much to my reluctance, he insisted that I watch. His family had tended that goat in their backyard for most of the year, and the children had played with it. But they too were there, watching solemnly as my friend stroked the goat to calm it down, said a few Urdu words (which turned out to be a ritual 'thank you' to the goat), actually nuzzled it and kissed its forehead - and then made a quick cut through its carotid artery and windpipe. It must have been unconscious not more than 10 seconds later, and dead soon after.

        That was a good death
        , he said. It wasn't factory farming and assembly-line slaughterhouse brutalities.

        Lay off the footwork and throw a punch! ~ Joe Bageant

        by gotgat54 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 03:28:44 PM PST

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      •  Excellent comment (2+ / 0-)
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        Sent to top comments, but I think I was late. No matter. Still great stuff.

        "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Isaac Asimov

        by Hammerhand on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 06:33:27 PM PST

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    •  Maybe a little less judgmental about something (0+ / 0-)

      you seemingly haven't thought much about or done much of eh?

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 04:08:34 PM PST

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