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  •  THAT is why we start a conversation--to move a (15+ / 0-)

    step closer to, if nothing else, reducing the carnage.....

    Even if we had been able to intervene in just one of the shooters' who committed mass murders this year alone, that would have been worth it to have tried.
    •  Carolyn McCarthy is the most sophisticated (23+ / 0-)

      thinker on this topic that I've ever seen.  Her understanding of human nature and the multi-facted approach we must take - including much more robust mental health and social services - as well as more traditional methods such as background checks - is unparalleled, I think.

      There are many things that we could do that would not be so draconian as to eradicate gun ownership - the NRA could learn a lot from her - but they demonizer her - which is why they should become forever irrelevant - they are liars, thieves and as far as I am concerned they have a lot of blood on their hands - because they oppose even the most common sense and basic policies that could help save lives - humans - deer, etc. would still be "fair game" for their membership.

      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)
        There are many things that we could do that would not be so draconian as to eradicate gun ownership
        But, of course, none of them would be anywhere near as effective as doing so.

        The good we secure for ourselves is precarious and uncertain, is floating in mid-air, until it is secured for all of us and incorporated into our common life. Jane Addams

        by Alice Olson on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:16:41 AM PST

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        •  Being realistic about what that would mean (2+ / 0-)

          in practice - the steps that would have to be taken to achieve that goal - the black market that would emerge - the backlash that we would see - including a potential civil war - not to mention the fact that the Constitution does bestow the right to bear arms - and the fact that the interpretation of that amendment has become so twisted that we forget that the Framers left that door open in part to allow for an insurrection in the event that the democracy failed in the future - the solution you offer is neither simple nor would it necessarily save more lives.

          At least for the moment, we might try to apply more moderate solutions - one thing people forget is that the rights of gun ownership far outweigh the rights of the rest of us at this time in history.  It is so far out of balance that we are not seeing anything of what it might be like were we to pull back from the radical right interpretation of the 2nd Amendment and see what that gets us.  Because if you want to take every gun out of every house, you're going to have to get a lot of guns and use them - there will be no way around violence - a lot of people will die - not sure that's going in the direction most of us are trying to go.

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