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  •  under the old rating system (18+ / 0-)

    this would warrant a 1 out of 4.  Not quite hide rating worthy, but totally

    -  unproductive
    -  unrelated to the actual content of the diary

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 06:18:50 AM PST

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    •  Where were you coming from (0+ / 0-)

      You could have said there was no connection between my diary and the events that occured yesterday. I just smell a rat...with a safe full of guns next to his Che poster...sorry if I misread your timing.

    •  Today, 1 issue dominates above all others (2+ / 0-)
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      gnbhull, Dump Terry McAuliffe

      When 20 little kids (and 6 adults) are killed in 1 place, people tend to ignore most everything else (esp when there was another mass shooting 2 days earlier).  IMHO, the same 5 Supremes applied similarly bizarre views of the 1A and the 2A in, respectively, Citizens United and Heller.

      The idea that the 2A grants an individual the right to own an arsenal is as illogical as the idea that the 1A grants corporations a right to buy elections.  It is not a coincidence that the same 5 jurists reached those equally illogical conclusions.  While I know that your diary was not intended to advocate either of those positions, given the timing of your diary, it will inevitably be viewed through that prism.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:05:26 AM PST

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      •  You are only partially correct.... (4+ / 0-)

        in that the Constitution and the BoR "grants" nothing to the people.  It recognizes and enumerates various Rights inherent to individuals, and delegates specific powers and responsibilities to Government.

        •  You are only partially correct (1+ / 0-)
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          Dump Terry McAuliffe

          The rights at issue were only granted to a fairly small % of the U.S population in 1787.  It took about 180 years before they were really given to people of color.  225 years ago, granting such rights to white men w/ property was a radical concept compared to most any country in Europe.

          The Consitution says that only Congress may declare war, yet we've had presidents commit forces to at least 6 armed conflicts and a score of smaller interventions w/o ever seeking a Declaration of War.  We will have tens of thousands of ground forces (plus God knows how many contractors) in Afghanistan for at least 13 years w/o such a declaration.   Uncle Sam is conducting domestic surveillance whose existence (much less scope and justification) is largely hidden from us.  The BoR is violated as a matter of routine in a "war on drugs" that has been carried out largely via executive fiat.

          In theory, your arguments carry considerable weight, but they carry much less weight in practice.

          Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

          by RFK Lives on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 09:03:56 AM PST

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          •  Not as radical as you'd think.... (0+ / 0-)

            and not for the reason you think.

            The radicalism was in assembling all of it in one clear, concise, document, specifically stating what the Rights of the Citizens were, and setting forth definite limits to the powers of the government.

            But nearly every piece of the whole was drawn from prior moments in history.

            And yes, there were flaws.  All generations have limits to their revolutions and their vision.  What was truely revolutionary was that the authors recognised their own limits of vision, and provided for exactly that by specifying a process for remedying such.  A process we've used 17 times, making only one mistake requireing revocation.  Not bad.  Could be better.  Plenty to work on.

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