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  •  a new assualt weapon ban would focus on the type (3+ / 0-)

    of ammo used. I could care less what it looks like. An AR-15 with a military stock or hunting stock will do the same damage. The ASW ban in the 90s was a failure because it contained too many loopholes. The law was way too technical and made too many exceptions. And it did not address the ammo issue. To those who say the ban was worthless I concur. It should have been much more restrictive. And should serve as a lesson on the wisdom of taking this out of the hands of Congressional committees and amending the constitution.

    I am willing, as a mental health patient to see laws that would prevent me or anyone in my house from getting a weapon. As I have never been in a criminal proceeding there is no way at this time to stop me from getting weapons. But that means I give up my privacy. Is your right to own a gun more important than my privacy. I would argue yes my right to privacy trumps the 2nd amendment. The political rights to be free from government surveillance trumps your right to own a gun. But I would support this.

    On your part gun owners you need to persuade gun owners to support expanded mental health care. And that means at the least support for Obamacare. The NRA is not known for supporting health care reform. They can not have it both ways. And it will mean higher taxes to pay for this health care.

    •  The right to privacy is a illusory concept today. (0+ / 0-)

      I was a mental health patient, voluntarily, in the 80's just before they were defunded.

      I spent 3+yrs at an Alcohol Outpatient Clinic and over 5 yrs (concurrently) going to our County Medical Center seeing a therapist.

      They never prescribed drugs and they actually helped me!  It was based on my income and I paid $3 a visit. I was going 2 and 3 times a week during that entire 5 yr period! I couldn't get anything close to that help today, even after paying for my "employer" medical coverage that cost me over $1600 a year!

      6 visits a year, that's all we're allowed under our health plans today!

      When you say the choice is between gun rights and rights to privacy I simply cannot agree.  There are too many Americans on prescription drugs today. Americans consume 80% of ALL pharmaceuticals manufactured on this Planet.  

      The side-effects of many of those prescription drugs interfere with cognitive abilities and some even MAKE people violent, depressed and DANGEROUS.

      The choice here is simple, your privacy does not trump the life of an innocent child. If we are to actually restore sanity to this nation, we must help each other again.

      That's the true problem here, too many people aren't getting the help they need or if they get the chance to see a doctor, their answer always seems to be "in a pill". Don't you dare mention that the Doctor is getting kickbacks from the manufacturer of said drugs! Don't you dare interrupt their Hawaiian vacation plans! Don't you dare talk about the institutional corruption!

      I have the right to know if my co-worker is on an anti-psychotic drug AND if they are a danger to me or themselves! If so, they shouldn't be allowed to own any firearms. Not until their condition has been resolved.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 08:15:20 AM PST

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      •  If it were not for antidepresents I would have (2+ / 0-)
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        committed suicide years ago. The best treatment combines meds with therapy. But who pays for therapy. If you have depression or biploar disorder for therapy to be effective it must be long term. A year or more. I will not have anything resembling a firearm in my house unless you have a badge. But right now that is a Choice I make, not a condition imposed upon me. And it should be a condition imposed on me. I should not have the right to own a firearm. But there is no enforcement. Such a system may discourage people from seeking help. And there is no funding for treatment or record keeping. And one of the arguments against health care reform was that it was a government intrusion on what should be a private matter. Many of the same people who oppose gun control also oppose health care reform.

        I would also say that mental health issues are never fully resolved. So that ban would have to be permanent. My depression will never be cured. So I live my life in such a way as to not make things worse. So I do not use alcohol, or recreational drugs. I watch my diet. But I can not afford the copays for regular therapy. $30.00/visit weekly I just can not afford. I see my psychiatrist 4 times a year for meds. The side effects can be bad and make things worse until you find a med that works. And just because a med works today does not mean it will still work 6 months from now. It is easier to take guns off the street than it is to treat the mentally ill with any kind of safe cure rate.

        So I am willing to give up part of my private life to keep people like me from getting guns. But that alone will not solve the problem. And getting prohibitions passed that only address the mentally ill may also require a constitutional amendment. Banning me from owning a weapon when i have never committed a crime probably violates my 14th amendment rights of equal protection. Which is probably why the laws on the mentally ill are not stronger. So we are back at square one.

        •  This is the crime that no one wants to face! (0+ / 0-)
          But I can not afford the copays for regular therapy. $30.00/visit weekly I just can not afford. I see my psychiatrist 4 times a year for meds.
          They want to blame some object and then say it's not the fault of Republicanism over the past 30 yrs.

          As for this:

          Banning me from owning a weapon when i have never committed a crime probably violates my 14th amendment rights of equal protection
          Agreed.  But we do mandate doctors, school teachers, etc into reporting suspected child abuse.  Why can't they be mandated in reporting someone whom is a danger to themselves or others?

          Why can't they be mandated to report the prescriptions they sign off on into the NICS system? How hard or expensive would that really be? Punching in the numbers into a computer? Maybe doctors would actually think twice before drugging people.

          States still can regulate arms. Here in New York you cannot get a permit if someone in your home is a criminal. We're routinely denied that right without due process and forced to pay the price for someone else's actions.

          The line has already been crossed.  What makes medical privacy so special?  

          Maybe when emotions have settled down we can talk about fully funded public mental health services.

          That will help so many and stop so much violence and it will be completely constitutional.

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 10:53:00 AM PST

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