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  •  With the exception (3+ / 0-)

    of magazine capacity, if a rifle is a semi-automatic and fires a medium-powered round it will have the same kind of portability and striking power or energy as an assault weapon. The main difference will be in the number of rounds the gun is able to fire in a given time.

    But you don't have to have a large magazine capacity or a detachable magazine to be able to reload quite rapidly even if the ammunition capacity is only 5 or 10 rounds. You would have to have some kind of auxiliary rapid loading mechanism though.

    One common variety of those is the "stripper clip", which is just a metal strip that cartridges can be slid into and then slid or pushed into the gun's magazine all at once. Usually the gun is made with guide slots which the clip is pushed into but I suppose you could use such a clip without guide slots with some practice.

    Such devices can enable you to fire more rounds in a sustained way than detachable magazines because it's more convenient to carry dozens of them than just 5 or 10 magazines.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:41:44 AM PST

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    •  So the ban should focus on mag. capacity (4+ / 0-)
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      and rapid reloading mechanisms like that stripper clip, right?

      If it were intended to be effective.

      I'm following what you're saying and appreciate it.

      Do you think there would be any reasonable aversion by Democratic gun owners to a ban on these?

      To me, it makes a lot more sense. I'm trying to figure out why this is not the proposal being made. Is it because Feinstein doesn't know enough about guns to figure it out, possibly?

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      by mahakali overdrive on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:55:38 AM PST

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      •  That would be most effective, I think, yes. (2+ / 0-)
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        I think you might get varied reactions from any collection of gun owners, including Democratic ones. Anybody who thinks they might need, or just for fun at the range want, to spray a lot of rounds quickly would balk at it.

        I should also mention that gun manufacturers and enthusiasts have a certain genius in the field of inventing their way around most any patent, restriction, ban, etc. Take "bump firing" of semiautomatic rifles for example.

        The reason this is not the proposal being made in my opinion is that there is probably an assumption being made that it would make it politically impossible to pass such a ban. That was my take on the reason for the ineffective way the original ban was set up (see my post upthread, I think it is, for a summary of that). The bans are intended to be cosmetic and ineffective, like the parts of the guns that they usually end up banning.

        I actually own a couple of assault weapons that I bought during that previous ban; a semiautomatic AK type and a Chinese-built SKS. You can't load the AK with stripper clips (without making some kind of receiver or breach cover that would allow that, the ejection port on the standard one is on the side rather than on top), but you can load its magazines with one with the aid of a little fixture which I have.

        You can load the SKS directly with one, it only has a 10-round magazine and was built to be loaded with stripper clips. I find that firing the SKS is more convenient than the AK because you can reload it in about half a second once you grab a clip and insert it.

        Anybody serious about laying down continuous fire without an assistant reloading magazines would choose the SKS. You'd just carry a belly pack or something full of ammo clips, and without the weight of the magazines you could carry more actual ammo by maybe 50 percent or so.

        For me, those guns are just a hobby and I have been having thoughts of having them melted down along with the rest of my collection (mainly handguns, plus one 1890 single shot Springfield rifle and a 1917 Luger pistol) after Newtown. The fun has sort of gone out of the hobby, at least for now. I'd just be one person out of a hundred million though, so I don't know what good it would do...

        Moderation in most things.

        by billmosby on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:30:11 PM PST

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        •  This is all really helpful information. (3+ / 0-)

          You might feel that leaving your hobby is simply symbolic, but it has to start somewhere.  If the older weapons are kept as museum pieces (without the possibility of loading them), I can't see the harm in keeping them, but maybe the AK and SKS and some of the handguns...

        •  Right, that's what I was thinking (1+ / 0-)
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          These are hobbyist guns, and they're also the kind used for most of these mass murders.

          I think most hobbyists would be fine with restrictions on these guns if the payoff was that kids wouldn't be as easily killed by crazy people.

          Why isn't Diane Feinstein saying this?

          If she won't, someone really should. Otherwise, her ban is unlikely to do anything. This ban, as gun owners know, COULD do something and WOULD NOT tend to be political kryptonite either.

          It's very dumb oversight, IMHO.

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          by mahakali overdrive on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:39:07 PM PST

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    •  I am absolutely confident that if my life (0+ / 0-)

      depends on it, I can tackle the guy trying to reload his SKS with a stripper more easily than I can tackle the guy trying to put another magazine into an AK variant.

      He's got to actually lower his weapon.  He's much more "tangled up".  

      This place needs a PVP server.

      by JesseCW on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 03:05:05 PM PST

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