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  •  When the 2nd Ammendment was passed (6+ / 0-)
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    muskets were the only guns they knew.

    I say let the NRA members have as many muskets as they like and make them turn in all other guns.

    •  As I noted in another thread ... (6+ / 0-)

      At the time the 2nd Amendment was written, the law of the land was that all males 16-46 were required to be members of their local militias, as we had no official standing US army at the time.

      The law listed the "arms" these men were required to have:  In addition to their rifles, they were also required to have tomahawks, bows and arrows, pikes and swords.

      Those were the kind of "arms" the framers of the 2nd Amendment had in mind;  the "arms" they were saying American citizens had a right to carry -- tomahawks, bows and arrows, pikes and swords!

      •  The 2nd amendment is literally nonsense (3+ / 0-)

        The second clause (the right to bear arms...) presupposes the first is true (a well-regulated militia being necessary...)...

        Well, the first clause isn't true--- a well-regulated militia is not necessary for the security of a free state.  All you need is a standing army and regular police (which didn't exist in 1789!).  And in many countries, like Costa Rica, you don't even need an army.

        The way presupposition works is that if your presupposition is false, your sentence is nonsense.  If  I say "The King of France is bald," that sentence is neither true nor false, because it presupposes that there is a king of France, and there isn't.  So it's nonsense.

        If I say, "Mitt Romney having won the election, we can finally repeal Obamacare," I'm spouting nonsense.  We can't tell if the second clause is true or false, because it presupposes that Mitt Romney won the election.  That is false, because he didn't.  

        The same goes for the 2nd amendment.  We don't know if it's true whether "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed," because its presupposition is false.  It's therefore nonsense.  

        Our security is being held captive to paranoia and nonsense.  That has to change.

        Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

        by nominalize on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:41:29 AM PST

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