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  •  Free agency is not unique to Mormons, and (8+ / 0-)

    believing in some measure of free agency is about the only solution to the problem of evil that doesn't indict God.

    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 08:49:54 PM PST

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    •  True, however, all the other buzzwords were there (3+ / 0-)
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      too. I later heard he had recently moved to CT from UT. But free agency and murder from a troubled youth? VERY hard to swallow for me.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 09:19:55 PM PST

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      •  I don't know how any human being can separate (7+ / 0-)

        the threads of choice and compulsion, in the drivenness, fear, despair, delusion, and blindness of this young man who killed his mother, childen and teachers, and himself.

        Free choice is an important concept to me too, but I think it'll become increasingly clear that mental illness was involved in this case, and mental illness can cloud freedom of choice beyond the point where the term has any meaning.

        I read somewhere recently -- I need to find the reference -- that countries with low levels of violent assaults share the trait of having mental health treatment broadly available.  We don't.  If we gave help to those who want it, we could restore many of those who do these things to enough clarity and freedom that they wouldn't do it.

        Not all. But many.  Many fewer lives lost.

        --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

        by Fiona West on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 10:15:03 PM PST

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      •  The only sense that "free will" makes to me is (1+ / 0-)
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        that at any time we all of us have some measure of choice. Most of the time, for most of us, there is a wedge of choices that splays about 45° or 90°. At life changing moments, that range may widen out to 180° or even wider. For those of us suffering from mental or physical illness or other form of suffering, we may have only 2° or 5° of freedom (call the doctor? take the pill?), but some measure, large or narrow, is there.

        Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

        by Wee Mama on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:49:22 AM PST

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