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  •  Too often... (22+ / 0-)

    ..after these tragedies, the NRA infers that the victims are 'collateral damage' in NRA's defense of their (imagined) second amendment rights.

    Their current silence is speaking volumes.

    Isn't it discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit? (Noel Coward)

    by Mid10Dem on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 04:34:09 AM PST

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    •  They woke up Saturday in Hell. (9+ / 0-)

      That's why we can't hear them ???

      "We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

      by bontemps2012 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 06:59:17 AM PST

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    •  I think it's fair to say to gun owners that the (15+ / 0-)

      days following this tragedy perhaps more than the others, people fear you. They fear you might be the next sick, disturbed, enraged person to go off and start killing them or their family members.

      To gun owners, people live in fear of you. That's a hell of a way to go through life. And this is just speaking from a personal feeling, a feeling I can easily imagine extends out into society in whole, a feeling based on personal interaction with gun owners I know. People that I have to worry about being upset over something and then having to be on guard for. Why should any person in our society have that kind of power over the rest of us?

      Now, if you take some pleasure in that, then you are not the kind of person that should be allowed to own guns.

      I think that's just where we're at in this country. Perhaps it's time most of us grow up and stop playing at Cowboys and Indians and stop romanticizing weapons of death.

      We are collectively, one immature mf'ing country. And as for the 2nd Amendment, it has now become an argument about whether or not the government's ability to protect all of the citizens of this country from crazed gun owners trumps those 'rights' the NRA purports to possess. I believe it does.

      Vote Tea Party Taliban! Bring the Burqa to America.

      by Pescadero Bill on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:46:10 AM PST

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      •  it is not merely gun owners (1+ / 0-)
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        apparently surveys (which may be inaccurate) indicate that more homes in America have guns than cars (cars have outstripped the buying power of American families, we have fallen behind many European nations in car ownership).

        The people who need and have arsenals of semi-automatic weapons, they are the ones we need to fear.  One shotgun or one hunting rifle, makes a gun owner, but they generally aren't the ones on a mass murder spree.  And I thoroughly agree that I am happy not to be around certain people who are too irrationally angry at the world (FOX News and Limbaugh will magnify the worst tendency in any human), to feel secure about what they would do with their guns.  Not to mention the stupid,  listening to a redneck describe how he forgot to put the safey on or the trigger lock in his gun laying on the front seat and how in a quick stop it hit the floor and shot a big hole in the floorboard lets you know you are never really safe from stupidity let alone malice.

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