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  •  Obama did - it was subtle (5+ / 0-)

    but on Friday, he did mention "a child on a street corner in Chicago" (more or less) when talking about victims of shootings...

    Which is not to say that I disagree with you-- the ongoing killings of children in cities should be just as outrage-inducing as mass slaughters. Something about human psychology seems to work against it, though...

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    by tubacat on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:01:54 AM PST

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    •  that's right, he did, but for some reason i (7+ / 0-)

      keep circling around the issue of "we need more mental health programs to solve gun violence"... and i don't know, but it seems like such a white approach to the problem, which when you fram e it in those terms only, i.e. these deeply disturbed people running around with assault weapons on campuses ... well, it leaves out urban crimes of violence, it really doesn't address gun violence in our cities and on our street corners. it doesn't address the poverty, drugs, hopelessness and ongoing culture of violence in cities.  

      i'm not saying the whole mental health argument isn't important, just that so are the issues of poverty and hoplessness, and it's like thepeople in cities are being forgotten because we've despaired of ever being able to help them.  and meanwhile, the common denominator in all of this is assault weapons and the needfor tighter regulations.  it's the thing that is primary and must be had now. get the assault weapons off the streets and out of people's hands everywhere, then deal with what remains.

      this is pretty inarticulate, i hope i made some sense.

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      by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:47:03 AM PST

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      •  No I get your point. The mass murders tend to be (5+ / 0-)

        white and troubled. And arguing that the mental health issue is the defining issue of gun violence ignores the vast majority of gun violence.

        There is a horribly racist and wrong attitude I have heard from white people "Let the n-words kill each other off. Not my problem" as if the death of an innocent black person has no meaning or is not a grave crime or tragic event. Stories like the 4 year old black girl playing on her front stoop on Easter Sunday being killed by a stray bullet has no impact on the white community as a whole. Many of us grieve, but many of us simply did not care because the victim was black.

        A lot of people in the gun community see Newtown as an aberration caused by mental illness. In this way of thinking the gun was an innocent tool. No on has to take responsibility for this tragedy. Not gun owners, the NRA, the firearms industry the legislatures who weaken gun laws. It is as if Newtown was just like Hurricane Sandy, an unstoppable force of nature, an Act of God. And the fact that gun makers are exempt from legal action only solidifies this thinking.

        •  This (2+ / 0-)
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          "Let the n-words kill each other off. Not my problem"
          Is not just an "attitude"--it's a strategy. Do-it-Yourself-Genocide--let "them" kill themselves, so you don't have to. :(
        •  well said. (2+ / 0-)
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          yes.  if the person is mentally disturbed, then the problem is 'out there' and the dominant narrative is safe, still correct, no need to examine the whole in any critical fashion.

          and if it's happening on the front stoop in the inner city, the problem is still 'out there' and the dominant narrative is still safe.

          and we don't have to work to change anything.

          November 6, 2012: United citizens = 1, Citizens United = 0 (-9.75 / -9.05)

          by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:55:30 AM PST

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