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  •  Classroom doors swing into the classroom (4+ / 0-)
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    and are generally pushed opened from the corridor side.  And actually this is true of most any type of room.  The only room doors that need to swing into corridors are 'places of assembly', where room capacities require faster egress.  Classrooms generally have to be for more than 75 persons capacity to require emergency egress.
    That said-
    locksets are often specified as "classroom", meaning they can be locked from the corridor with a key and on the room side without a key.  This can be with a deadbolt, or as we are more familiar with in public toilets- the doorknob button.
    The 'deadbolt' is a separate part of the door hardware which "throws" into its own separate latch (from the doorknob latch) and has to be turned to egress.
    The knob button of course unlocks upon turning the door knob- you don't have remember to unlatch the deadbolt- its built into the door knob (aka a latchbolt).

    Egress doors require panic hardware- the bar (panic bar) you push to unlock the door as you push it open for egress.

    There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

    by NYFM on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 06:46:21 PM PST

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    •  Classroom doors in Illinois have not swung IN (16+ / 0-)

      since the Our Lady of Angels fire in the 1960s.

      In 47 years in schools, I have never seen a classroom door swing into a classroom.

      As posted above, the Newtown school did have modern security with electronically locked doors.  The terrorist simply blew out a window to bypass that security.

      The issue here is not how much technology we can dream up to protect children.  The issue is that no one outside military personnel on active duty should have access to automatic and semi-automatic weapons of death.

      The weapon used had one purpose.  To kill in the most tissue-splattering way possible.

      Why are we trying to barricade children behind unrealistic technology just so we can let wingnuts walk around with whatever killing machines they think they need?

      The "right" to gun ownership is not absolute.  Manufacture and sale of these weapons and their ammunition should be banned immediately.

      "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty (John Boner, Paul Ryan, or Scotty Walker (pick your favorite) said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

      by Eman on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:59:45 PM PST

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      •  Doors swinging out (1+ / 0-)
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        into a corridor cannot reduce the corridor width- they must be in a recess so the open door remains outside the corridor clear width.  I'm not aware of a requirement for outswinging unless you are over 50 occupants (not 75)

        There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

        by NYFM on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 08:16:00 PM PST

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        •  Hmmm. (5+ / 0-)
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          Every interior door in our building swings out. I was told this is a fire/emergency precaution in case a crowd rushes to the door to get out. But I'm an educator not an architect.

          •  You're right (2+ / 0-)
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            that's the reason it's done, and it is done when it can be (for the obvious egress reasons)  but it's not code required unless  you are over 50 people. In those cases it's done more for liability issues.

            There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

            by NYFM on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 08:34:43 PM PST

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        •  I believe BOCA (bare minimum in most areas) (4+ / 0-)

          requires outswinging doors at 50 occupancy.  Many states and municipalities have codes tighter than BOCA.

          Illinois Life Safety Sec. 175/185 requires outswinging doors at 20 occupancy which would affect any school exits built or remodeled after 1960.

          Illinois Life safety also requires that all classroom doors must remain unlocked from the inside and easily operable by children.

          "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty (John Boner, Paul Ryan, or Scotty Walker (pick your favorite) said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

          by Eman on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 09:56:55 PM PST

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          •  That is specific to Illinois (0+ / 0-)

            and beyond the usual requirement.

            There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

            by NYFM on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 11:21:19 PM PST

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            •  Yes, that is what I said in the first post. (0+ / 0-)

              But Illinois is NOT unusual.  The BOCA code is not a standard, but looked at by many as the bare minimum.  States with more dense populations tend to have better Life Safety codes for children and public places.  

              Some of the well-meaning suggestions in this thread have negative rather than positive life safety implications.  In the case of Illinois, a tragic school fire in 1958 where children were trapped in rooms and died led this state and others to greatly increase life safety in schools.

              I am pleased that so many people are becoming concerned and helping the discussion along.  People just need to understand that often what looks like a simple fix is complicated for good reason.

              "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty (John Boner, Paul Ryan, or Scotty Walker (pick your favorite) said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

              by Eman on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:41:22 AM PST

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