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  •  Time To Strike While The Iron Is Hot - For Years (13+ / 0-)

    progressives have been trying to get legislation passed that PERMANENTLY bans military type assault weapons and high capacity magazine clips. Now is the time to get it done, while the Sandy Hook massacre is fresh in the public's mind, and sentiment is on our side. And no sunset provision on any assualt weapon ban - let's  not make that same mistake again! I also think legislation mandating universal background checks for ALL gun purchases in ALL states, and closing the gun show loophole is called for.  To prevent a person from obtaining an arsenal all at once, I would also like to see a limit of one gun purchase allowed per 90 days. Democrats and progressives, let's not get bogged down in talks about "mental health issues" - the NRA loves it when progressives get distracted from the REAL issue - making dangerous weapons less likely to fall into the wrong hands. Mental health issues are important, but let's talk about them AFTER we get assault weapons banned.

    •  Great list! (3+ / 0-)
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      Guns are inherently dangerous. Especially when "used as directed." (i.e. Insert ammo, release safety if any, put finger on trigger, aim if any, fire at will. If happy with that, fire again. And again. Repeat.)

      It's time to stop chasing the NRA's arguments down the NRA's rabbit holes.

      - Guns kill people. And they do it more efficiently than most other kinds of homicide.

      - Sure, the mentally ill can get their hands on guns and use them, but we shouldn't have to wait to identify and cure all the mentally ill before we cure the proliferation of guns, starting with those capable of mass destruction ... but not ending there.

      - Yes, almost all police are against wide open gun laws. That is not because the government is taking over the world. "If guns are outlawed, only criminals will have guns." True; what's your point? I wouldn't go quite that far, but now that you mention it ...

      - Self-defense can be stretched to the ridiculous. Such as: No, principals of elementary schools should not have K-47's in their school lockers. No, concealed carry shouldn't apply to stadiums, bars, churches or any place else. If you're allowed to carry a weapon - except for undercover officers - show it and have your registration information with you at all times.

      - The Second Amendment does not prohibit restrictions on gun sales, ownership and use.

      - If "semi-automatic" guns is a phrase hard to define, use the one from the last law Congress enacted. (It's a start. And then broaden it.) Or take the existing law against fully automatics and insert "semi-".

      - Ban gun shows that market guns. Of all kinds in all places.  There's no law against that. If the phrase is hard to define, define it broadly.

      Just for starters.

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:57:29 AM PST

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      •  Look for mandatory reporting by you doctor (1+ / 0-)
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        if you are on medication that might be construed to be a remedy/mitigator for a psychological condition.

        Doesn't matter if you want to own a gun, it will still be reported.

        Prozac, Ritalin, Xoloft.

        This is gonna be a disaster for privacy rights.

        •  And make sure (0+ / 0-)

          that no one ever gets help for anything that might be construed as "mental".

          Doctors are already required to report if they believe someone is a danger to themselves or others. I hate to break it to you, but the generic Ritalin in my drawer doesn't mean I'm homicidal, and that pill isn't going to make me homicidal. (That new birth control pill I tried a couple years ago, though...whew!)

          If my doctor becomes concerned, then I will be reported to the authorities. People who are receiving psych meds are also receiving psych care. It's already hard to get and stigmatizing, and you won't find a bunch of wanna-be killers in the waiting room.

          My privacy rights are already in danger. And, thanks to a viciously irresponsible gun lobby, so is my life.

          The people who try to get help--whether for specific concerns, current issues, or general illness--are acting responsibly. The doctors who treat them are working responsibly. It's the people who fire guns who refuse to accept any responsibility.

        •  Why do you think doctors will have to report meds? (0+ / 0-)

          Because of a gun law? Even if so, why would the "danger to themselves and others" be any different under gun laws than any other law requiring doctor reporting?

          2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

          by TRPChicago on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:57:58 AM PST

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    •  Where is the website ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... that offers me an easy way to contact my representatives in Congress to demand what you're suggesting?  Where?!?

      Come, my friends -- 'tis not too late to seek a newer world .....

      by shurley on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:01:44 AM PST

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    •  We can show these kids' faces (1+ / 0-)
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      at every gun-sucker political rally from now till doomsday.

      Show Palin with her damn wolf-guns.

      Pair her narcie, gun-glorifying ass with the dead kids.

      Fuck all of them. Every one of them who make careers setting up the gun craze that drew in the psycho who shot the kids.

      No gun craze. No dead kids.

      "We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

      by bontemps2012 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:09:53 AM PST

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    •  Waiting period is essential (3+ / 0-)
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      they have got to take the "impulse buying" away from guns.

      ❧To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:51:23 AM PST

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    •  Barely touches the problem. (0+ / 0-)

      Even if it suppressed a few high-profile killings, it would not address the vast majority of killings, which are with smaller weaponry.  "Military-style" weapons are already highly regulated, anyhow.  

      I suspect this is just another NRA talking point, designed to confuse and cloud the issue.  

      The problem is ALL guns.  

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