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  •  Suings Gunshows and Webhosts (31+ / 0-)

    I mean this seriously; sue major gun makers and they are prepared.. it would take serious, serious resources and money.  

    But start suing convention halls that host gunshows; suing gun show organizers; websites that sell ammo; web hosts that provide bandwidth for those that sell ammo online.. and you've got people with a lot less interest (and a lot less at the ready to battle a legal fight).

    The line about Achilles Heel wasn't that Achilles was nearly invincible in a head on attack; but everything has a weakness.   It's already been found valid:

    http://bigstory.ap.org/...

    BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) — An appeals court in New York has ruled that a former high school athlete who was shot in 2003 can sue the companies that made and distributed the handgun used in the crime.

    The ruling reverses a lower court's dismissal of Buffalo victim Daniel Williams' complaint. Williams claimed Ohio gun maker Hi-Point and distributor MKS Supply intentionally supplied handguns to irresponsible dealers for profit. The gun used to shoot Williams was bought at a gun show by a Buffalo gun trafficker.

    By suing the gun makers for directly providing to gun shows; those who host the gun shows for not checking on the security methods of the sellers; and for the sellers themselves for selling to people without any checks.   Because those people don't have the same resources to keep up the fight.

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:50:02 AM PST

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    •  Thanks for the really good suggestions. (8+ / 0-)

      Your thoughts on how to most effectively impact the sales of guns seem well thought out.  

      Time is a long river.

      by phonegery on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:08:37 AM PST

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    •  Yes -- EXCELLENT suggestions. The gun shows (3+ / 0-)

      and other places where a disturbed person, someone with a violent record, a minor, etc. can get a gun without a background check should be a central line of attack.  And most convention centers, etc., once they see that could provoke a lawsuit, will feel differently about dealing with gun shows.  

      Taking investments away from gun companies is good.  And this is the moment to start that.  But taking away sales outlets is better.

      Do you know of any organizations that now pursue this kind of approach?

      --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

      by Fiona West on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:06:53 AM PST

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      •  Here is a list of gun shows (12+ / 0-)

        http://www.gunshows-usa.com/...

        Which also lists convention halls.   I'm throwing this out as a suggestion.   I would love to see query letters to the convention halls and grounds.  Something as simple as:

        "Attention Property Owner-

        My name is X, and I would like to make a basic inquiry.  I understand you are hosting gun show Y in my state on (date).  

        While I can inquire through the county, I'm hoping you can provide me information on the insurance bonding provided by the gun show for your facility, and if your facility carries any insurance of it's own for litigation of damages.

        If you can provide me those limits, I would be appreciative.  

        Thank you."

        Next, I would email those who promote gun shows themselves.  And ask them if they have a documentation plan of how well they enforce the state, local and federal laws and if they research those who sell at their shows.  Also ask if they are carrying liability insurance in case a seller doesn't follow their rules.

        Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

        by Chris Reeves on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:22:49 AM PST

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