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  •  VAWA reauthorization (15+ / 0-)

    should be tied in with this whole discussion.  Because yes.  A lot of these incidents start out as domestic violence and take children, parents, and even non-family bystanders.

    Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?

    by kismet on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:47:30 AM PST

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    •  I have one old memory about this sort of thing (1+ / 0-)
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      The only person I have known who shot someone in his home was a 6th grade classmate.  His father was in the process of a knife attack on his mother, and promised to get my classmate and his sister when he was through.  The old man got a full charge from the 12 gage at about 10', I was told.  There was plenty of tragedy after the fact (and more than a little before too).  I recall some wishing the kid hadn't had to do it, but I don't recall anyone saying they wished he hadn't done what was needed.  Decades after the fact, I think that is about right.

      •  It's by far more common (1+ / 0-)
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        that the gun in the house is used by the man to kill the wife and kids, than that the gun in the house is used by the wife or kids to stop a DV attack, though.

        Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?

        by kismet on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 05:45:06 AM PST

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        •  I know. Anecdote is not the same as data (0+ / 0-)

          Our personal experience does form our perceptions.  I should add that this was in 1956 or 1957, I am not sure where in the school year it happened.  They were subsistence farmers at a time when there wasn't much aid for the desperately poor.  A lot of their meat was what that boy shot after school.  He was a tough kid.  I called it an old memory to identify it as an anecdote that occurred in a very different time in my life, in a circumstance that I hope does not become common again.

          A brief google search for those male/female percentages came up empty.  Someone almost surely keeps a current tally by sex.  Do you happen to have a link to something like that?  It would be good to know what that data actually shows.

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