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  •  Here's a really stupid one (7+ / 0-)

    Just shared by someone on facebook:

    "Place 3-4 armed veterans in every school. There are thousands of well trained unemployed veterans who would love the job of protecting children."
    There's so much fail here, I don't even know where to begin. First and foremost, there are about 100,000 public schools in this country, so adding that kind of number, at, say $40k/yr, would be $14 billion dollars coming out of underfunded school districts. These people don't even bother to think about what their words actually mean.

    "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

    by Hayate Yagami on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 05:50:50 PM PST

    •  Oh, gawd, I've seen them both! (2+ / 0-)
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      SO much fail!

      An unsuccessful shoe bomb attack resulted in nine years of inconvenience for every flier in the country. It would be nice to think [this diabolical act] might lead to some similar inconveniences. --mrblifil

      by Debby on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:50:27 PM PST

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    •  Not to mention... (2+ / 0-)
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      I am not sure there are that many veterans who are currently seeking a job and would want that job and are well-suited to doing it as people may imagine from the word 'veteran'. There are lots of ways to serve in combat zones, especially in today's military, and a lot of them don't have much of anything to do with how to use a gun in a bad situation. I've had friends who relied heavily on their contracted LEO counterparts because those guys were more used to sudden firefight situations.

      •  Hey, if someone wanted to pay me well (0+ / 0-)

        To sit around doing a job that has that minuscule a chance of actually having to do something, I'd take it in a heartbeat.  May as well just give out free money.

        "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

        by Hayate Yagami on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:54:41 PM PST

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    •  If it's important we'll find the money (0+ / 0-)

      We never seem to have any problem putting armed guards on banks and armored cars or in electronics and jewelery stores and all sorts of places where there are "valuables" at risk of being stolen. We don't seem to have a problem posting a few hundred thousand troops overseas at any given moment. If it's important enough to protect our innocent children we'll find a way to pay for it. I'll happily kick in my share on the tax bill.

      And why do you think it's "stupid" to suggest guarding our children? Do you not think they're deserving of protection? As this week has shown, they sure as hell need it.

      Why guard money and possessions and not children? Where are our priorities?

      "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

      by DarthMeow504 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 08:57:12 PM PST

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      •  Jewelry stores and banks choose to pay for guards (1+ / 0-)
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        even then, not all of them do.  The military industrial complex has well placed and paid lobbyists working for them.  There are a few people in education who think it's a good idea, but I haven't heard teachers' unions clamoring for guns in schools.  I would much rather pay more in taxes for professional couselors and more teachers and smaller classrooms in every school than armed guards.

      •  Know what else has a lot of guards? (0+ / 0-)

        Prisons.

        Do we make our schools prisons and our children inmates so the guns can move freely about the country unfettered by the common sense caveats that are normally afforded any other tool, item, or substance that's a danger to public health and safety?

        Sometimes when I hear people talk about gun freedoms, I think they're actually giving the freedoms to the guns.

        How does the Republican Congress sit down with all the butthurt over taxing the wealthy?

        by athenap on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 01:11:37 PM PST

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        •  Excuses (0+ / 0-)

          If it's important, we will find the money.

          As to "common sense" gun restrictions, they won't keep determined criminals from getting illegal guns. The Sandy Hook shooter was denied a gun purchase and was not legally allowed to buy or own firearms, so he stole some. No form of "common sense" gun restriction would have stopped that. This is not to say that I'm not in favor of logical and effective gun laws such as background checks and the like, but the fact is they won't stop determined criminals from being armed.

          So what's worse, leaving the children defenseless and letting some of them get shot because there's nothing and no one to stop the assailants, or the inconvenience of putting up with security measures and armed guards? They can get used to the latter. Nobody gets used to being shot and killed by maniacs.

          "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

          by DarthMeow504 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:12:25 AM PST

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