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  •  The NRA's monopoly on the term "law-abiding"... (10+ / 0-)

    ...needs to come to an end.  How about all those law-abiding victims of gun violence?

    And let's remember that Adam Lanza was a "law-abiding" citizen right up until the moment he first pulled that trigger.

    •  Wrong. (0+ / 0-)

      He'd already stolen weapons that were illegal to possess, and he'd already committed murder in the process of stealing said weapons before he ever arrived at Sandy Hook Elementary.

      Prior to that, he was guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

      He WAS a criminal. He just hadn't been caught yet.

      "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

      by DarthMeow504 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 09:00:12 PM PST

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      •  A conspiracy requires a minimum of two people. (0+ / 0-)

        What you're talking about is premeditation.  Merely thinking about committing murder is not a crime.  From a legal standpoint, thinking about murder and actually committing it are a single event and are prosecuted and punished as such.  It does not become a crime until the murder is actually committed.  Premeditation only makes the crime murder in the first degree, as opposed to second-degree murder, which is the unplanned committing of murder in the course of committing another (planned) crime such as rape or robbery.

        I dare say that many if not most of us in our darkest moments have entertained thoughts of exacting revenge, up to and including murder, upon those who have wronged us.  If such thoughts crossed the threshold of criminal behavior, many more of us would be (or ought to be) in jail.  Fortunately, the better angels of of our nature win out in the overwhelming majority of cases.

        Note that I didn't specify that he wasn't a criminal before he arrived at Sandy Hook.  I'm well aware that he killed his mother first.  And whether or not the weapons were stolen (from his mother seconds before she was killed) in this case does not negate my broader point, so let me rephrase it.  Any person who commits murder with a gun he/she legally purchased and is legally entitled to carry is a "law-abiding" citizen up to the point he/she pulls the trigger.

    •  Listening to NPR a few days ago (0+ / 0-)

      a "gun rights advocate" named Lars--didn't catch a last name or organization-- gave an astounding number of incidents last year that he said were averted by people legally possessing guns, I can't remember what it was, but it made me exclaim "bullsh*t" as I drove to the post office.  He then made it clear the number was bogus when he added that George Zimmerman was among that number when he killed Trayvon Martin.  People like him will always find a way, a loophole, to label incidents like Sandy Hook as an anomaly while supporting people like George Zimmerman.

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