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  •  none, zero, not at all, nobody, never, nowhere? (2+ / 0-)
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    MrBigDaddy, akmk

    My comments have been very open-ended in suggesting a complex and poorly understood feedback loop between a violent society and violent imagery.

    On the other hand, responses to my comments seem to argue that there is absolutely zero correlation whatsoever and never has been.

    I stand behind my nuanced comments as being more likely closer to reality than the absolutist replies they have received.

    •  Correlation, yes. Causation, no. (10+ / 0-)

      If someone is bent to the snapping point by a video game, they had problems before they ever touched one.

      This is not an absolutist reply but one that is derived from available evidence and the consensus on the effects of video games.

      The claim to nuance and some kind of special open-mindedness is probably why you're also being accused of believing in pseudoscience; these are classic arguments made by believers in woo: "What, you can't admit the possibility that no ever in the history of the world was healed by a crystal?"

      No. Because it's bunk, and the evidence says it's bunk. Just like the evil-video-game woo.

      The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

      by lotusmaglite on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:32:49 PM PST

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      •  Correction: (6+ / 0-)

        The woo-believer argument should have read:

        "What, you can't admit the possibility that somebody, somewhere in the history of the world was healed by a crystal, even once?"

        The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

        by lotusmaglite on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:41:10 PM PST

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      •  If someone could decide that "Helter Skelter" was (4+ / 0-)

        The Beatles secret code to launch a race war....

        "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

        by JesseCW on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 12:54:12 AM PST

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      •  Exactly someone with problems might not ought (0+ / 0-)

        to become self-absorbed in violent video games.  

        Can you guys think of no better alternatives?

        •  yes, emulate the policies of the many nations (1+ / 0-)
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          AaronInSanDiego

          that don't have this problem.

          Incidentally, this involves providing universal access to mental health treatment and restricting access to assault weapons. Incidentally, this doesn't involve restricting free speech and artistic expression.

          •  You could, if you wanted, choose a different art. (0+ / 0-)
            •  I enjoy many kinds of art (1+ / 0-)
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              detroitmechworks

              I only play video games when I do my nightly cardio workout. I find most television boring and I get a headache if I try to read while I'm on the bike.

              FWIW, I also don't really care for shooters. I mostly play sports simulations, strategy games and roleplaying games. In fact, a ban on shooters would probably be beneficial to me as developers would shift their focus and resources onto the less popular genres that I enjoy.

              But that's not the point. The point is that your assertion is simply based in speculation, not scientific evidence, and as such, it's not worth scrapping the first amendment over. Honestly, we have as much reason to listen to your suggestion as we do to listen to those insisting that prayer in schools would help.

              And more generally, there are many kinds of artistic expression that I don't care for and believe are actually detrimental to society in a very real and extensive way, but I would defend them just the same.

            •  one more point (2+ / 0-)
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              detroitmechworks, seancdaug

              From what I've read, there actually isn't any evidence that the killer was much of a fan of shooting games. I have read that he often played Starcraft, but that's an isometric strategy game where little space ships pew pew lasers at giant space bugs. It's essentially like watching a cartoonish version of Star Wars.

              The image of the shooter-obsessed teenage mass murderer is simply a hysteria-driven media caricature with no evident basis in reality. It's simply the contemporary equivalent of the board game-obsessed "Satanist" ritual murderer of the 80's and the murderous, pot-crazed Marijuana "addicts" of the 30's.

              On that note, it's worth mentioning that murder wasn't invented in the 1990's, and the fact that psychopaths tend to engage in copycat crimes (a phenomenon that has been noticeable since the 1960's, at least) likely has more to do with the way the media rewards them with attention and infamy for following specific templates.

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