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  •  If we want it, we can have single payer (10+ / 0-)

    IMPLEMENTED in most of the well-represented states on here this decade. We can have people in Washington working on a guaranteed annual income, and high education proposals modeled on Germany or Finland instead of the nightmare we have here now.

    We have to get better at organizing and influencing the discussion. 2006-2009 prove that tuning in for elections is not enough.

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    by Nulwee on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:14:39 PM PST

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    •  Interestingly enough arch conservative (5+ / 0-)

      Milton Friedman was darn close to supporting the BIG, Basic Income Guarantee.  I call myself "conservative" and I could support a BIG with certain conditions, most notably work or "contribution" requirements.

      And as I have often stated here, single payer will most likely become a reality when liberals can learn to speak the "language" of moderates and even some conservatives.  This has largely fallen on deaf ears but you don't need to convince many progressives to move toward single payer.  You need the center and right to adopt it as their own.

      I, as a conservative, can support single payer (at least I believe I can/will)  because I am looking for the most efficient system possible.  My first reaction is that a system controlled by the federal government will not be the most effective.  However, when it comes down to it I am most concerned about access to healthcare, outcomes of that care and the cost of the system.  I think many moderates and conservatives (as well as many progressives) would rank those three aspects similarly very high in their value system.  

      And when you understand what nations actually receive high marks in those three areas you understand (or at least I understand) that perhaps the insurance part of the healthcare system is one of the few "goods" that are best delivered by the government.  Hence, I, like many "conservatives" in Canada, Europe, and Japan can support a single payer system on conservative grounds.

      We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

      by theotherside on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:05:35 AM PST

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