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  •  It's both. (5+ / 0-)

    This Asperger's topic is kind of a sidetrack, but paranoid schizophrenia?  Psycopathy?  Clinical depression coupled with life traumas?  Inabilities to distinguish fantasy from reality?  Acting out inflicted traumas?  These DO make people into abusers, torturers, killers, mass killers.

    Assault weapons must be banned.  Biometric trigger locks should be the norm.  No expanded clips or ammo drums.   Background checks for everyone, no exceptions like gun shows etc.  And more.  

    But more than that, no one should be left behind by public health, because mental health care for everyone solves more than gun problems: it can solve domestic violence, child abuse, animal abuse.  It keeps those people employable & gives them a chance at a nice life.  And it can keep someone who's unemployed or going through other life trauma from falling into depression.  That can't help but help us all.  Mental health isn't about just people with clinical disorders: it's about you & me, when heavy shit hits the hurricane.  Everyone should have a counselor.  I mean EVERYBODY.  

    So let's keep the mental health conversation going in a reality-based direction, but let's ABSOLUTELY NOT pretend that the mental health aspect is a pro-gun issue dodge.  Reining in gun insanity means reining in insanity.

    Before elections have their consequences, Activism has consequences for elections.

    by Leftcandid on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 05:33:14 AM PST

    •  The things you've described don't all (1+ / 0-)
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      constitute mental illness. You're offering sidetracks yourself given you've lumped in apples and oranges. Also, I don't think anyone's argued that the killer couldn't have been mentally ill; this is a strawman.

      •  really? which ones? nt (0+ / 0-)

        "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

        by eXtina on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 05:59:11 AM PST

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      •  Not clinically, but I specified that that's not (1+ / 0-)
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        the whole picture.

        Perhaps a better choice of words is mental wellness.  And/or emotional wellness.  Are these provided for to the extent that physical wellness is?  Do they contribute to people snapping or "falling down"?  I'll put apples & oranges together if both can make someone shoot someone when not addressed.  

        As I understand a main thrust of this diary, the viral post on Asperger's runs the risk of having some people believe that it constitutes a special risk factor for violence, which is not the case & all should keep that in mind.  Clinical mental illness AND nonclinical mental/emotional distress can contribute to someone's decision to commit crime, and a counselor/social support web can help any & all in these positions, clinically diagnosed or not.  Correct?

        Before elections have their consequences, Activism has consequences for elections.

        by Leftcandid on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:34:13 AM PST

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