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  •  Wasn't Heller decided upon notion that in DC where (1+ / 0-)
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    Gun ownership was restricted there was a need for protection afforded by guns BECAUSE of the gun violence DC citizens faced?

    "If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

    by Kvetchnrelease on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:30:14 AM PST

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    •  I don't know enough about (2+ / 0-)
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      Heller to give an opinion. I do know that there were 14 massacres in Australia, before the massacre in 1997 in Tasmania, that killed 35 people, and that after the gun control law that was enforced after the 1997 massacre, there were zero gun related massacres. A study done about the decade after the law was implemented,  firearm homicide decreased by 59% and firearm suicide fell by 65%, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homocides and suicides.

      I am not saying that other aspects don't have an effect on the motivation of people committing these kind of crimes, but I don't think they should be the primary focus if the goal is to lower the casualty rate caused by guns.

      •  It's the guns. We are too stupid and stubborn (5+ / 0-)

        to admit the obvious.  As Churchill said, Americans will do the right thing when they have exhausted all other possibilities.  We are not the brightest bulbs in any box.

        •  His mum was American so is he a half-wit? N/t (0+ / 0-)

          "If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

          by Kvetchnrelease on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:42:13 AM PST

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        •  I am not an American (1+ / 0-)
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          but I lived in the US for seven years, so I want to offer my defense for Americans.

          One of the reasons I moved back to Europe, was the sustained level of anxiety I felt when I lived in the US. Odd thing is that I experienced some bad things living in the Netherlands, while I did not have similar experiences while living in the US. So while I had no personal reason to believe that my life was more in danger in the US, I did feel danger was more imminent while living in the US.

          I think the US media reports on extreme violent crimes disproportionate to the actual number of occurences more than the European media does. And politically driven groups leach on to this fear, to use it for their own agenda.

          Obviously there are other reasons why the US is a more violent country, but for me the artificial fear driven into the population, is one of the main factors.

          •  I believe you are partly correct but Americans (1+ / 0-)
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            are pre-disposed to this type of fear, they always have been.  I think it is the myth of rugged individualism and a lack of true concern for others(lack of a safety net) that makes people so uneasy and fearful.  So many people live on the edge, it creates genuine fear and they focus that fear on others(usually people of color).

    •  Yes, but DC is a special case. (1+ / 0-)
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      amsterdam

      It is a city. As a city, it actually has very low violence rates. The problem is that DC is bordered by two states and in close proximity of another three, making its gun control laws relatively less important in determining how many guns are around in DC.

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