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  •  we need somebody who's on our side... (4+ / 0-)

    and will negotiate with our welfare at heart.

    i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

    by joe shikspack on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:18:33 AM PST

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    •  I have no doubt he's on our side, but I'm beginnin (0+ / 0-)

      beginning to think his daughters have him wrapped around their finger if he deals with them the way he deals with Republicans

      Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

      by Clytemnestra on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:27:08 AM PST

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    •  As I have been asking others: (1+ / 0-)
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      It's a negotiation NOT a surrender.

      So name ONE thing the LEFT would be willing to give up to get this deal done.

      I'm in favor of going over the cliff because I think it would screw the GOP into an even tighter spot than they are now, but even if we do, they need to get something.

      If you say they should get absolutely nothing, then you are asking them to surrender unconditionally, and they won't do that.

      So what are we willing to give up? Less in defense cuts? Leaving oil & gas subsidies alone? Keystone pipeline?
      Is ANYTHING on our side negotiable?

      Just asking.

      Shalom.

      "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

      by WineRev on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:02:37 AM PST

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      •  I'm willing to allow Medicare to (3+ / 0-)
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        negotiate all drug prices.

        "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

        by tardis10 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:31:23 AM PST

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      •  i'm willing to allow negotiation of drug prices... (3+ / 0-)
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        which should save a ton of money on our medicare costs.  i'm willing to give up life support for the health insurance industry and go to medicare for all.  i'm willing to go for massive (and necessary) defense cuts.  i'm willing to immediately withdraw all american troops from afghanistan and iraq.  i'm willing to end corporate welfare entirely.  i am willing to end the vast majority of farm subsidies which go to corporate farms. i am willing to end fannie mae and freddy mac.  if americans need loans for housing the fed can just print some damned money and give people mortgages directly at the same practically zero percent interest they charge their favored clients, the banksters.  i'm willing to break up the department of homeland security and get close a large number of its programs.  i am willing to end the DEA.  I am willing to stop supporting any intelligence activity that is not an information gathering and analysis function - no covert actions or especially assassinations.

        that's just a few off the top of my head.  there's more.  believe me, i could save a sh*tload of money for the american people.

        i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

        by joe shikspack on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:32:51 AM PST

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      •  Increase Social Security (3+ / 0-)
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        A good start of the negotiation process would have been by increasing Social Security benefits, not reducing them.

        Once again the president started giving up at the start....

        After listening to jay carney, reid, pelosi yesterday, those on "our side" (as if any of them really are)  the "falling off the cliff' seems to be the best position now.

        "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

        by allenjo on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:59:50 AM PST

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      •  and how about these? (4+ / 0-)

        details are here http://blog.ourfuture.org/...

        1. Close multiple loopholes in the capital gains law: $174.2 billion. (1.42x)
        2. Refuse to compromise on the President’s $250,000 figure for increased taxation: $183 billion (1.5x)
        3. Reduce the budget for US overseas military bases by 20 percent: $200 billion. (1.6x)
        4. Allow the government to negotiate with drug companies: $220 billion. (1.8x)
        5. Enact DoD-friendly cuts to military budget: $519 billion. (4.25x)
        6. Enact Rep. Jan Schakowsky’s ‘Fairness in Taxation Act’ for very high earners: $872.5 billion. (7.15x)
        7. Eliminate corporate tax loopholes: $1.24 trillion (10x)
        8. Create a financial transactions tax for high-volume Wall Street trading: $1.8 trillion (14.75x)

        "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

        by tardis10 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:15:43 AM PST

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      •  Summary of comments answering your (0+ / 0-)

        question: nothing.

        •  Agreed (1+ / 0-)
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          When you want the other side to get NOTHING you are not negotiating, you asking for unconditional surrender. No political party does that.

          Good grief, when Pemberton surrendered Vicksburg to "Unconditional Surrender" Grant, Grant didn't take 31,000 prisoners and have them all shot. Indeed, he didn't even send them to POW camps but let nearly all of them go home on parole.
          Yet Grant's capture of Vicksburg split the Confederacy and made Southern Independence impossible.
          Did he hold ALL the cards? Yes.
          Did he get what he wanted? Yes.
          Was there a surrender? Yes.
          Yet, did 31,000 men from the Southern side get to go home? Yes.

          Mind you, I support nailing the GOP into a box on the fiscal curb, on the debt ceiling, on unemployment benefits, on the Alternative Minimum Tax, etc, etc. But just exactly WHAT is anyone on this site willing to concede in return?

          There is a whiff of absolutism and super purity around here that is giving me a headache.

          Shalom.

          "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

          by WineRev on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:13:38 AM PST

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      •  if we were neotiating from the real center (0+ / 0-)

        then yes .. but we are negotiating from the right .. where they moved the center .. so it's all their turf anyway

        Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

        by Clytemnestra on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:06:47 AM PST

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