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  •  The 2nd amendment (3+ / 0-)
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    bontemps2012, Laconic Lib, Janet 707

    Was only meant to reassure the anti-federalists that the government wasn't going to disarm them.

    The right to keep and bear arms was already common law.

    In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

    by boriscleto on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 03:22:29 PM PST

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    •  No, it was for slave and frontier states (0+ / 0-)

      who realized that they would be fucked if the federal government passed a law against arms.

      The right to keep and bear arms was as extensive as the states allowed them, because common law rights are whaqt a judge says it is, and in any event can be undone, amended or revoked by statute.  Which is why you don't see lots of talk about indigenous people and bound labor having rights to guns.

      One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

      by Inland on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 03:45:40 PM PST

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      •  Actually, None Of The Above (2+ / 0-)
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        If you survey the various provisions (and proposals for same) in state constitutions that eventually led up to the Second Amendment, it is spelled out more or less clearly that the whole idea was to have functioning and easily called up militias for defense of the town, county, state, or country as applicable. At the time nobody wanted or was willing to pay for a full-time standing army - they had had too much of that, used against them, 1765-1775. So "well-regulated militias" which could be called up on short notice were the only practical alternative.

        It worked, sort of, as long as the United States remained small, isolated, relatively backward, and not at war with itself.

        Those days are gone - blown away for good with the smoke from the guns of Fort Sumter.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 07:01:18 PM PST

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        •  That's not inconsistent with what I said. (1+ / 0-)
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          The state consitutions spelled out what the states considered their militias, and the federal government's ability to interfere with that was limited by the second amendment.

          If a state wanted to do away with its militia, or arm it with penknives only, that's the state's perogative.  There's no individual right to own a gun. As shown by all the people denied that right.

          One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

          by Inland on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 07:23:58 PM PST

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    •  Including swords. (3+ / 0-)
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      Laconic Lib, TheOtherMaven, Janet 707

      "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

      by bontemps2012 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 04:37:41 PM PST

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