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  •  They keep yelling WHAT ABOUT CARS? (12+ / 0-)

    They use cars as a reason we shouldn't regulate guns. They forget that cars are highly regulated, more regulated than guns. We require people to pass tests to drive cars, to have car insurance. We have speed limits and traffic laws. Stop signs, and One-Way signs are not suggestions.

    The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

    by A Citizen on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:33:11 PM PST

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    •  cars have a purpose that doesn't involve (8+ / 0-)

      harming other living beings, namely transportation.

      Guns are weapons. Their only purpose is to harm or kill animals or people. Therefore we should regulate them more stringently.

      It's probably harder to get a katana in most states than it is to carry a firearm, and yet you can kill many more people much more quickly with a gun than you ever could with a katana. Go figure.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:37:03 PM PST

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      •  And more than one nutjob ... (0+ / 0-)

        has used a car to mow down victims, sometimes even small crowds of them.  A nutjob is a nutjob, his weapon of choice is irrelevant.  Hell, nutjobs using large vehicles murdered almost 3,000 people on 9/11 and not one gun was involved.

        The common factor here is N U T J O B !

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

        by Neuroptimalian on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 02:38:31 AM PST

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      •  Target shooting is also a purpose, (1+ / 0-)
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        ..not just a means to an end. I prefer archery, myself, but I'm also using a potentially lethal weapon for a recreational purpose that doesn't involve killing anything.

        Cogito, ergo Democrata.

        by Ahianne on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 05:37:20 AM PST

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    •  We also made some very (8+ / 0-)

      tough design demands on car manufacturers.

      All by regulation.

      Guns should be just the same.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:51:08 PM PST

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      •  They were made on gun designers too. (4+ / 0-)

        The transfer bar in revolvers makes them much more safe to drop. The grip safety on the 1911 requires a solid hold or the hammer won't fall. The addition of that curved bit over the trigger, called a trigger guard. That little extra nub on the glock pistol. The design inside a glock that actually causes the pin to be unable to move unless the trigger is pulled - that's the glock method for drop safety.

        All of which are design features intended to reduce the possibility of accidental discharges to as close to zero as mechanically possible.

        On the other hand, we have the ford pinto debacle, where the accountants decided to act in a very different manner.

        •  Is every firearm (1+ / 0-)
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          and bullet micro-coded for traceability?

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          by twigg on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:20:44 PM PST

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          •  That's not a physical possibility. (3+ / 0-)
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            Hollywood has space ships and flux capacitors. They aren't real.

            Hollywood has microstamping. It doesn't work like they say. It's not durable. It doesn't last.

            Just like the fox news has deceived some people into disbelieving in climate change, so too has hollywood deceived some people into disbelieving in the laws of physics that defeat such microcoding.

            Your phrase sounds like it came from Demolition Man. Or Battlestar Galactica, the original series from the 70's.

            And forensic ballistics is defeated by a simple bronze brush going up and down the barrel, which changes the ballistic fingerprint of the barrel into something different than what is on the bullets previously fired.

            Seriously, shit from the bronze age defeats bullet/barrel matching. Can we please get into technology at least from after the romans collapsed?

            •  Micro-stamping (2+ / 0-)
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              is both physically possible, and relatively easy.

              It is opposed by the NRA solely on the basis that law enforcement could only trace the gun to the last registered owner.

              Which won't be a problem when all guns have to be registered, as they absolutely should.

              Any attempts to defeat micro-stamping can very easily be made a felony, and we do not stop making laws because the criminals ignore them.

              Your comment, and the tone of it, was out of place in a civil debate.

              I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
              but I fear we will remain Democrats.

              by twigg on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:44:26 PM PST

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    •  I'm still waiting for 'what about toasters!'. (6+ / 0-)

      It's an idiotic comparison and I'm sure even some of them know it.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:10:56 PM PST

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