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  •  Does anyone really believe... (8+ / 0-)

    Does anyone really believe that President Obama and Boehner are negotiating anything?  There are two possibilities here and neither have either one of them negotiating anything.

    Possibility #1:  Each side has a team of negotiators working around the clockmaking proposals, feeling out the other side and then taking the proposals back to these men for their input and/or approval.  Then, Boehner and President Obama take the negotiators proposals and go to the public with trial balloons to see how much their base can live with taking that information back to the table.  I can only hope that is what is happening because the only other option is...

    Possibility #2: They already know what the compromise is going to be and they are dragging it out for the sake of showmanship to keep their respective bases happy.  Neither one of them would want to let their bases think they caved too early.  If this is the case, then we can expect a worse deal than what Obama has let slip out so far.  

    If this is the case, I would expect that chained CPI will be in there and they will raise taxes on everyone who makes over $500,000 per year but they will not raise the capital gains taxes.  They will let the estate tax threshold be lowered slightly and the debt ceiling will be extended for a year.  

    If I had to bet money, it would be on they already have a deal and it will be similar to what I described.

    "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

    by Buckeye Nut Schell on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 06:02:27 AM PST

    •  In such a case (5+ / 0-)

      you can kiss the Democratic Party coalition good-bye.

      Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

      by Big River Bandido on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 07:33:59 AM PST

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      •  yup...key word...coalition (3+ / 0-)

        a fragile one at that.

        throw in gun control and you lose another fragment--which by the way, i'm willing to say SEE YA! to those people, but that's not the point...after all, it's not all about me, but don't tell anyone i said that :)

        the republicans have also chipped away their coalition, but they do it a bit differently.

        they chip away at the "moderates" and keep sacred their base.

        if i had to choose a political strategy--i'd go with the republican one.  cuz picking away your base to appease moderates who may or not vote for you...but for damn sure were never going to melt the payment for you or donate to you....

        well that's just , what's the word?  dumb.

        •  I think the past few days have shown (0+ / 0-)

          that the "gun nut" element in the Democratic Party was never very solidly in the party to begin with.  With the changing demographics of American society, that element is fast becoming irrelevant in the Democratic coalition.  

          The economic policy battles are where the Democrats' real worries ought to be.  

          Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

          by Big River Bandido on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:43:41 AM PST

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      Brown Thrasher, apimomfan2

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 09:07:24 AM PST

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    •  I think you are basically right (2+ / 0-)
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      Buckeye Nut Schell, apimomfan2

      That the deal has already been made and this is all just theater.
      The one thing that gives me pause is that Boehner is up for re-election as speaker in early Jan. (the 2nd?) and won't want to announce a deal that has any tax raises in it until after he has been re-elected.
      I thought for quite a while that we'd go over the "cliff", and then shortly after Boehner's re-election, a deal would be announced. I'm just not sure of the timing now. The banks really want to avoid the cliff, and we know who runs things in DC, so a deal before the deadline won't surprise me as much now.

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