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  •  Does he advertise or operate as a firing range? (0+ / 0-)

    If so he's required by law to have certain safety features -- backstops, for example, to prevent stray rounds escaping the shooting area.

    A hillside will do, or a berm,  properly-constructed. Must be deep enough to absorb fired rounds and tall enough to prevent overshooting.

    The noise is a nuisance, but if he's having shooters use proper ear protection and your house is more than the legal minimum distance away, well, it's a bit like living under the approach to an airport.

    Otherwise, it's his land, and if he's operating safely and correctly (and these things are way easier if he's not charging shooters for the use of the target practice area) ...  

    LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

    by BlackSheep1 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:06:47 AM PST

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    •  Of course he doesn't advertise- (0+ / 0-)

      Just word of mouth, being neighborly - "Come on over, have some coffee & conversation over some of the misses cinnamon rolls in front of the fireplace, after we've shot a few rounds."

      How do I know this?  We were included in the invitation one time.

      We didn't buy land near an airport, and even the guy to the north who used to fly his crop duster 3 times a year nearby, has had to stop.  As a matter of fact, we bought the land to build our house, before he bought his property.  I was just pointing out that in semi rural areas, there are plenty of gun ranges, which are considered private property, and are quite unregulated.

      None of our hobbies negatively affect our neighbors.  Computers, photography, wild flowers, sewing, dogs, travel (inside, and one or two at a time, not barking for hours on end outside)

      I once told DH if we ever wanted to sell this place, we could only try to do it in spring, never in Sept/October/Nov when many buyers would be turned off by the illegal firing range.  And then there is the business of hunters and snow mobilers using our land against our wishes.

      •  Post your corners and fences (0+ / 0-)

        There is no state or county in the US where you don't have the right to put up NO Hunting and NO Trespassing signs.

        When you have hunters or trespassers on posted land call the police.
        I don't believe your neighbor's doing anything illegal, but you might -- and I emphasize might -- talk to your county attorney.

         If the operation's not in compliance with standards for safety, they can advise you how to proceed. Do you, for instance, get stray rounds on your property? Or brass?

        LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

        by BlackSheep1 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:57:54 AM PST

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        •  Posting signs don't work (0+ / 0-)

          They are just torn down, ignored or better yet, used for target practice.  I'm sure there are probably stray rounds in our woods.  Last time I went out to post signs, in the fall I got a raging case of poison ivy - the vines go up the trees and are quite toxic and hard to avoid.  Even washing with Tech-Nu and discarding clothing.  Cost me 2 visits to the dermatologist & lots of meds, to say nothing of the skin eruptions and danger of it getting into my eyes & throat.  It was BAD.

          We didn't used to be so upset about these things, but the behavior of people around here, has turned us into the hard liners, we are now.  My husband is afraid to request these people to stop because they have guns!

          As usual, it is the bad behavior of a few, that ruin it for all.

          •  Do you have fences? (0+ / 0-)

            if not get some.

            Post on them and at your corners.

            Enforce the posting with follow-up calls to law enforcement. Report vandalism as well as trespassing.

            You have to be proactive. Stray shot into your wooded land is not considered a hazard if the grounds are not posted and you haven't registered your objections with the authorities.

            I repeat. You. Have. to. be. Proactive.

            LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

            by BlackSheep1 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 11:53:15 AM PST

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            •  No (0+ / 0-)

              We do not want to, or have the money to, fence our land. The part included in the portion containing the house is roughly 250 ft by 1,000 ft. (Have another larger tract too)  It wouldn't make any difference, the bullets would go right by the fence, be it metal, wood, wired, electrified, etc.  

              We'd welcome you to pay for it.  We did buy a 25 ft roll of snow fence & put it up where the snow mobilers were going the most, 12 yrs ago.  They just waited until the snow was deep enough and ran right over it, destroying part of it.  In addition, the gun nut & snow mobiler next door complained about it's bright orange color destroying his view.

              In addition, the money spent on fencing, would not be a good investment on improving the value of the land when it comes time to sell.  

              The high price of gas has curtailed some of the teen joy riders on snow mobiles.  Which is why insurance premiums might have an effect on some.  

              On the other hand, I have just been told we are facing something like $9,000 in dental costs, because of the progressions left from a spill off a bike at age 10.  Root canals, implants, temp plate, and bridge; the whole bit.  Financing the college ed of the dentist's kids, no doubt.    

              Someone asked where our next trip was going to be.  I said to the dentists chair, for the next 2 trips.  This isn't funny.  Of course I could have all the uppers pulled, and false teeth.  And look like a hag for the next 20-30 yrs.  Extremely fortunate that we can do this at all.  If chained SS goes forward, wouldn't have the option in 10 yrs (for reasons explained on previous posts)

              Why should we have to be "pro-active" to the point that it costs us thousands when people are contemptuous of existing laws and don't take responsibility for being good neighbors? When we were younger, we DID put the signs up every year.  Only to have to do it again.

              Pro-active?  One year I did spend 3 frozen hours hidden in a thicket, to pop up and confront the guy who was riding his snow mobile through the woods.  He didn't return.  

              And the tracking corgi followed a trail which lead right from the home of another with an older teen, through our woods, to this target area in a field.  Corgis are very versatile dogs. Kid was called out on this.  I think it shook him up a bit to find out he was found out by a 25 lb corgi.

              Why should the people in Sandy Hook loose their children; the people of AZ loose their Congress Critter & people who happen to be near a supermarket;, because Adam's & Jared's families couldn't face the responsibility to deal honestly with their child's dysfunction?

              Too many have a blind spot with this gun thing.  Fed up here.  As I said before, "YOU PEOPLE" have pushed this thing beyond the point of being reasonable, on this subject.  (Quoting Ann Romney)

              •  Well, I appreciate your candor (0+ / 0-)

                I disagree with your approach, but it is a free country. The problem in my eyes is not with the literally millions of law-abiding people in this country who legally own, use, maintain and store their firearms, be the purpose for which they use same hunting or target shooting; some have great sentimental or financial value (e.g. antiques).

                LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

                by BlackSheep1 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 04:18:40 PM PST

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