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  •  I reject your premise (0+ / 0-)

    that Obama put it on the table.

    "Q    Yes, Jay, a lot of top Democrats on the Hill, and I think President Obama, spent the campaign season saying, let’s not touch Social Security -- it doesn’t add to the deficit; we can resolve this issue without going to that entitlement program. What is the President’s message to those lawmakers who promised constituents that Social Security would not be touched after the President now has put chain CPI on the table for Republicans?

    MR. CARNEY:  Well, let’s be clear about one thing:  The President didn’t put it on the table.  This is something that Republicans want.  And it is --"

    He who throws mud only loses ground -- Fat Albert

    by c0wfunk on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 11:53:28 AM PST

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    •  So he offerered them one of their tabled options (0+ / 0-)

      Expecting them to turn it down.

      Why is this so hard for everyone to understand?

      This notion flying around that we're "at the beginning" of the negotiation is crazy.

      He who throws mud only loses ground -- Fat Albert

      by c0wfunk on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 11:54:49 AM PST

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      •  It's not hard to understand; where we part (1+ / 0-)
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        in opinion is whether or not this was a mistake on Obama's part.

        I'm more with those who think Obama should have left Chain CPI alone, left it for his opponents to bring to the table.  Let them face the opposition from retirees, who are, let's not forget, the largest-% Republican age group.

        •  No, I'm not sure you do understand (1+ / 0-)
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          because you just repeated your claim.

          "left it for his opponents to bring to the table."

          That's my point. Republicans brought it to the table. Obama offered it as a concession, likely with the assumption it would be rejected.

          Whether that was a good idea or not is certainly a whole different conversation and per usual I'll reserve judgement until the whole thing shakes out. I have much less information to judge upon than those involved in the negotiations.

          At this point, with Boehner's Plan B debacle, it actually seems to be going right along as planned.

          I have no doubt that if any deal is made there will be concessions many do not agree with. That is the essence of compromise and the foundation of our government.

          He who throws mud only loses ground -- Fat Albert

          by c0wfunk on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:08:59 PM PST

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