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  •  NRA membership and insurance. (13+ / 0-)

    Short answer is yes.  As I have pointed out several times on this blog, when diarists and commenters have advocated for "controlling" guns by requiring insurance.  I point out that the solution to that is simple.  They will be forcing people to join the NRA, which will further increase their power base.  

    Besides, no insurance policy in the world will cover an illegal act.  I have a high liability policy on my car, but if I used it as a getaway from a bank robbery and ran over somebody and wrecked, insurance would not pay a dime.  

    The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

    by Otteray Scribe on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:09:08 AM PST

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    •  Do you think that (10+ / 0-)

      banning the sale, importation, AND possession of high capacity magazines could be accomplished and would be effective, not immediately but over the next 20-30 years?

      Nothing we do will prevent every possible act, especially if someone is set on dying in the process, but it certainly would prevent some. If we can't even make that effort, and instead want to follow the LaPierre doctrine, I see us just being a violent, armed camped for a long time.

      As to insurance...if everyone had to have liability insurance on their firearms...then that just might make the NRA more powerful...but it would also mean some changes in the way people dealt with their guns...i.e. storage, etc...that might also reduce gun violence.

      I'm not against giving a reasonable gun organization a great deal of power, everyone should support the Bill of Rights, but I will got hyperbolic for a moment and ask where is my ground-to-air missile for when they fly planes over my house? See, we do have some limits...the argument on armament is just where that line should be. i.e. I don't think civilians should have the weaponry that the Newtown murderer's mom had in her private collection.

      •  Many people do not understand the difference (10+ / 0-)

        between firearms and ordnance.  Missiles and cannons are ordnance.  I know some cannons are in private hands, but I understand there have to be special permits.  A friend of mine has three fully automatic weapons.  Two Thompson submachine guns and a M-16 Vietnam era "Black Rifle." He is both a psychiatrist and lawyer, and said he had to go through a more thorough background check to get a tax stamp for those than he did when he got a security clearance in the Army.  

        A while back, on a legal blog, there was a lot of breathless excitement because some guy was trying to buy an F-5 fighter plane.  I pointed out that is not illegal, and one can buy a Mig-21 supersonic Russian fighter for less than a hundred grand, and that will come with an extra engine.  Some guy in the Midwest recently acquired a Mig-29, which is one of the premier fighter planes in the world.  I have a picture around here somewhere of me at the controls of the B-29 FIFI, which is owned by the Commemorative Air Force. Of course, the machine guns, missiles and bombs on all those airplanes are either disabled, removed completely, or look-alike dummies.

        I have no idea how one is going to get the genie back in the bottle vis a vis high cap mags.  There are a gazillion of them out there, and you can even buy them at flea markets.  Most of them are crap, and jam easily.  I have no use for them.  I went back and read up on the guy who shot up the primary school in Dunblane, Scotland.  I had thought he used a shotgun, but it turned out he had four pistols.  He shot sixteen kids and their teacher, before using the last bullet on himself.  Those pistols were standard off-the-shelf weapons.

        The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

        by Otteray Scribe on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:01:47 AM PST

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        •  I understand the difference between the two (8+ / 0-)

          And no, I don't believe that any law will stop everything.

          The discussion moves past that into what is the answer and would moving the line mean it would be much, a little, or no difference in the number of these event. Not just the massacres but the daily gun violence we somehow so readily accept.

          Dunblane: Guessing there are also anecdotes where a person went into a location with a gun and was stopped by a person with a concealed weapons permit.

          Guess my hope is that they do move the line AND make this a less violent society. But I don't see how LaPierre's speech today made me or my family any safer.

          Thanks for the discussion.  

    •  I'm sorry to bug ya (9+ / 0-)

      But did you not want to answer the question on Toronto or just skipped it? Either way is fine, but the conclusion I have without any external info to the contrary is that the only difference is the availability of firearms and I was curious if you had examples that I was missing?

      Thanks.

      •  I am not dodging. (9+ / 0-)

        Just have no clue about Toronto.  I barely know what is going on the in the confines of the lower 48.  I have been to Toronto several times, but only for business.

        The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

        by Otteray Scribe on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:46:15 AM PST

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        •  Wasn't implying "dodging", Slacker!!! ;) (8+ / 0-)

          Was just curious as to why Detroit...1/4 the size of Toronto, 10x the number of homicides...

          Just that LaPierre gave multiple non-gun related concerns....but Toronto has the same access to media (movies/video games), probably, although I'd have to research it, similar numbers of mentally ill (although they might, which is something that should be worked on here, probably have better access to it than we do), etc...

          Huge city...massive number of people...1/10th the homicides. The only non-cultural...although they could be considered a 'culture' item...is guns.

          Just an observation and wondered if, during your travels in RKBA, anyone had ever addressed the differences between the US and other industrialized countries re gun violence.

          (Tend to avoid RKBA and I/P...and at this point most of what's on the Rec List...because not much, to me, ever gets settled...)

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